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Ben, @irelephant (thank you for the name of the relay) is reporting public facts.
Given public facts, the reported story does not make sense, we're missing something, I won't be surprised if advanced #bluesky users, do config mistake, with all those lego pieces.
Fediverse is much easier, your instance, your moderation.
A small instance, you know the moderators.
A big instance, not your moderationso you talk of "facts," then you allude to actual facts above that you reject, then you topic change and wave your hands about "you can't moderate yourself on a large instance" as if that means anything
thank you for your "facts"
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so you talk of "facts," then you allude to actual facts above that you reject, then you topic change and wave your hands about "you can't moderate yourself on a large instance" as if that means anything
thank you for your "facts"
Ben
- an existing relay, used by thousands of people is a fact.
- it's also a fact that without having native accounts there, and a deep understanding
of a difficult protocol, and based on screenshots and our desires to be right, it's difficult to understand what probably went wrong for that user.
Maybe he misconfigured some blacksky software, or he found a bug, I have NOT denied the story, I just said, before going around with torches and pitchforks, that is *strange*.anyway, please, unfollow me.
You are way too aggressive on this topic (read ! scroll up ! understand !)
I mostly post stuff in italian, not necessarily related to holy wars, and you don't seem to be interested in understanding my points and my opinions anyway -
Ben, @irelephant (thank you for the name of the relay) is reporting public facts.
Given public facts, the reported story does not make sense, we're missing something, I won't be surprised if advanced #bluesky users, do config mistake, with all those lego pieces.
Fediverse is much easier, your instance, your moderation.
A small instance, you know the moderators.
A big instance, not your moderation@luca @benroyce @irelephant @_elena Even if it's a config issue caused by the system being hideously complex we would still seem to end up at the conclusion that you need to be a million or billion dollar company with a team of full-time engineers to actually try to build a full alternative implementation of this "decentralized" system. Its governance can at best be an oligarchy. By design.
If they wanted it to actually be decentralized they'd be finding ways to help people fix these issues.
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@luca @benroyce @irelephant @_elena Even if it's a config issue caused by the system being hideously complex we would still seem to end up at the conclusion that you need to be a million or billion dollar company with a team of full-time engineers to actually try to build a full alternative implementation of this "decentralized" system. Its governance can at best be an oligarchy. By design.
If they wanted it to actually be decentralized they'd be finding ways to help people fix these issues.
@admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com @luca@sironi.tk @_elena@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social
There is a lot of different implementations, like https://reddwarf.whey.party/ which runs entirely in browser (no appview or relay needed), https://github.com/alnkesq/AppViewLite, which is so lightweight I was able to run it on my phone, https://app.wafrn.net, which has activitypub and atproto support and blacksky, which has written the pds and relay software themselves.
I wouldn't say the system is hideously complex, moderation services are a pretty simple feature used by loads of people who don't know what a decentralisation is themselves. -
@admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com @luca@sironi.tk @_elena@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social
There is a lot of different implementations, like https://reddwarf.whey.party/ which runs entirely in browser (no appview or relay needed), https://github.com/alnkesq/AppViewLite, which is so lightweight I was able to run it on my phone, https://app.wafrn.net, which has activitypub and atproto support and blacksky, which has written the pds and relay software themselves.
I wouldn't say the system is hideously complex, moderation services are a pretty simple feature used by loads of people who don't know what a decentralisation is themselves.@irelephant @luca @_elena @benroyce
Not sure what reddwarf is, all I get is an error page (NetworkError when attempting to fetch resource) and I can't find any page explaining what it's supposed to be or what I'm supposed to be seeing.AppViewLite seems to only be implementing one single component, the appview.
Warfrn is also only a partial implementation. Says right in their docs that you'll need other components to use it with bluesky. No mention of where to get those though. I'd guess they expect you to rely on the centralized Bluesky ones.
And Blacksky is the one we were already discussing that allegedly doesn't understand how to actually implement the things they're trying to implement. Or maybe they do and the network just isn't actually decentralized. Those seem to be the two options.
Would any of these platforms survive if Bluesky decided to set up a firewall blocking them from the Bluesky infrastructure? Seems like the answer is no. That is not a decentralized system, that's an API.
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@irelephant @luca @_elena @benroyce
Not sure what reddwarf is, all I get is an error page (NetworkError when attempting to fetch resource) and I can't find any page explaining what it's supposed to be or what I'm supposed to be seeing.AppViewLite seems to only be implementing one single component, the appview.
Warfrn is also only a partial implementation. Says right in their docs that you'll need other components to use it with bluesky. No mention of where to get those though. I'd guess they expect you to rely on the centralized Bluesky ones.
And Blacksky is the one we were already discussing that allegedly doesn't understand how to actually implement the things they're trying to implement. Or maybe they do and the network just isn't actually decentralized. Those seem to be the two options.
Would any of these platforms survive if Bluesky decided to set up a firewall blocking them from the Bluesky infrastructure? Seems like the answer is no. That is not a decentralized system, that's an API.
@admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com @luca@sironi.tk @_elena@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social
That's weird. reddwarf lets you use bluesky directly through a pds, without an appview or relay.
Appviewlite can do everything bar being a PDS.
Wafrn implements the PDS and appview, they currently use blacksky's relay. -
@admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com @luca@sironi.tk @_elena@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social
That's weird. reddwarf lets you use bluesky directly through a pds, without an appview or relay.
Appviewlite can do everything bar being a PDS.
Wafrn implements the PDS and appview, they currently use blacksky's relay.@irelephant @luca @_elena @benroyce so they're all partial implementations, they all either need Bluesky or Blacksky and Blacksky can't seem to enforce their own decisions if Bluesky disagrees with them. So ultimately everything is still controlled by Bluesky. It is not decentralized; Bluesky is the singular center of all of it.
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@irelephant @luca @_elena @benroyce so they're all partial implementations, they all either need Bluesky or Blacksky and Blacksky can't seem to enforce their own decisions if Bluesky disagrees with them. So ultimately everything is still controlled by Bluesky. It is not decentralized; Bluesky is the singular center of all of it.
No, there's loads of alternate PDSes. (1200 right now).
My PDS is altq.net, but there's also bsky.global and bsky.aenead.net and the tangled pds.
Wafrn comes with it's own pds as well.
I can use my altq pds, and https://reddwarf.whey.party/ and use bluesky without Bluesky PBC being able to control anything.
It's important to note that Link (the guy who got banned) still has his account accessible on the blacksky pds, it's just hidden on the two clients.
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No, there's loads of alternate PDSes. (1200 right now).
My PDS is altq.net, but there's also bsky.global and bsky.aenead.net and the tangled pds.
Wafrn comes with it's own pds as well.
I can use my altq pds, and https://reddwarf.whey.party/ and use bluesky without Bluesky PBC being able to control anything.
It's important to note that Link (the guy who got banned) still has his account accessible on the blacksky pds, it's just hidden on the two clients.
@irelephant@app.wafrn.net @admin @_elena @irelephant@calckey.world
I guess the most concerns, from people wanting to understand, are related to the AT pieces with fewer alternatives, like relays and appview.
Is this "link" user visible to users hosted on the main Bluesky, if they use a 3rd part client like deer.social ?
Is it visible to people on Blacksky or Wafrn ? -
@irelephant@app.wafrn.net @admin @_elena @irelephant@calckey.world
I guess the most concerns, from people wanting to understand, are related to the AT pieces with fewer alternatives, like relays and appview.
Is this "link" user visible to users hosted on the main Bluesky, if they use a 3rd part client like deer.social ?
Is it visible to people on Blacksky or Wafrn ?I'm not too sure about the third party client bit, people could get around country specific ones, but I don't know if they can get around the main one. Right now, deer.social has the person blocked.
They're on wafrn: https://app.wafrn.net/blog/@spacelawshitpost.me
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I'm not too sure about the third party client bit, people could get around country specific ones, but I don't know if they can get around the main one. Right now, deer.social has the person blocked.
They're on wafrn: https://app.wafrn.net/blog/@spacelawshitpost.me
@irelephant@app.wafrn.net @admin @_elena @irelephant@calckey.world
oh, also external account, nice
https://app.wafrn.net/blog/@luca.sironi.tk
(i just couldn't get used to wafrn gui)
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@dontblink oggi le comunità di NodeBB sono perfettamente utilizzabili da Lemmy.
Purtroppo però Lemmy non ti consente di vedere in maniera agevole gli aggiornamenti delle comunità NodeBB cui sei iscritto.Ad oggi è più facile per un utente Lemmy, navigare nelle categorie inglesi della stessa piattaforma o in quelle Piefed, piuttosto che nelle categorie NodeBB della stessa lingua
Per ovviare a questo, @skariko ha pubblicato questo post:
https://feddit.it/post/22879812Qui puoi vedere tutte le comunità che erano state create alla data del post suddetto. Il post andrebbe aggiornato con le altre comunità che abbiamo creato, ma una volta che sei entrato con il tuo account Lemmy in una di quelle comunità che tu ci sei iscritto, Ecco che potrai vederle nella pagina delle comunità in cui sei iscritto:
https://feddit.it/post/22879812
Stiamo ancora cercando di capire se esiste un modo per rendere più intuitiva la fruizione delle categorie di citiverse.it per l'utente Lemmy.
Se invece vuoi iscriverti alle comunità che non sono ancora state censite in quel posto, devi richiamare Dalla tua casella di ricerca la categoria NodeBB, per esempio digitando !@treviso@citiverse.it e cliccando sopra il risultato di ricerca.
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Ciao grazie mille per questa iniziativa!
Ancora sono un po' un nabbo dell'activitypub e mi sfugge come gli utenti di altre piattaforme possono vedere ed interagire con i gruppi su cityverse, ho letto più volte la sezione riguardante questo ma ancora non riesco molto a collegare, come funziona?
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@colpam @filippodb @fediverso buona serata signorinaaaaaaa ☺️
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@82mhz you'rrrre rrrright! 😆
PS: Thanks, have a nice evening, too!
