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  4. I wrote in support of @thisismissem's letter saying that ATProto and ActivityPub ecosystems ought to engage kindly and constructively with each other.

I wrote in support of @thisismissem's letter saying that ATProto and ActivityPub ecosystems ought to engage kindly and constructively with each other.

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    I wrote in support of @thisismissem's letter saying that ATProto and ActivityPub ecosystems ought to engage kindly and constructively with each other. https://writings.thisismissem.social/statement-on-discourse-about-activitypub-and-at-protocol/

    I have explained my thinking more here: https://github.com/swicg/general/pull/45#issuecomment-3263275752

    We face a lot of threats, especially ones greater than each other right now. We should challenge each other, but it is worth engaging so in a constructive way.

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    • Christine Lemmer-Webberundefined Christine Lemmer-Webber

      I wrote in support of @thisismissem's letter saying that ATProto and ActivityPub ecosystems ought to engage kindly and constructively with each other. https://writings.thisismissem.social/statement-on-discourse-about-activitypub-and-at-protocol/

      I have explained my thinking more here: https://github.com/swicg/general/pull/45#issuecomment-3263275752

      We face a lot of threats, especially ones greater than each other right now. We should challenge each other, but it is worth engaging so in a constructive way.

      Christine Lemmer-Webberundefined Questo utente è esterno a questo forum
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      Note that it isn't that I am unwilling to critique ATProto. I have written the most cited critiques of ATProto on the internet.

      Critique is good. And challenging each other is good.

      But let's be constructive and kind.

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      • Christine Lemmer-Webberundefined Christine Lemmer-Webber

        Note that it isn't that I am unwilling to critique ATProto. I have written the most cited critiques of ATProto on the internet.

        Critique is good. And challenging each other is good.

        But let's be constructive and kind.

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        @cwebber facts. You can disagree, and even point out weaknesses, challenges, and pitfalls without being rude or unkind. Even simple bluntness doesn't require saying things like, "any idiot would know this"

        I /like/ when people point out where I failed, and things I've failed to consider so I can consider those

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