Alright fediverse devs, I figured out how we can fix mansplaining.
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Alright fediverse devs, I figured out how we can fix mansplaining.
@stefan Some UX friction like this is a good idea.
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@stefan Some UX friction like this is a good idea.
@tchambers Yeah, it's a tough one. Obviously this is not great for accessibility, and is meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek, of course.
But seriously, why do so many feel such strong urge to reply to everything they read online?
We need reply controls so badly.
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Alright fediverse devs, I figured out how we can fix mansplaining.
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@cheeaun Yep, this is what I had in mind, in part. It's too bad it never made it to the browser version.
I would love to see how much of an impact it's had.
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@cheeaun Yep, this is what I had in mind, in part. It's too bad it never made it to the browser version.
I would love to see how much of an impact it's had.
@stefan yeah, not sure if there's any conclusion or analysis from the experiment on Mastodon for Android since 2023… 🤔
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@stefan yeah, not sure if there's any conclusion or analysis from the experiment on Mastodon for Android since 2023… 🤔
@cheeaun Maybe @andypiper has some insights?
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Alright fediverse devs, I figured out how we can fix mansplaining.
@stefan there could be a UX feature, which would disable replies under status, but it kind of denies the original meaning of social networks.
Anyway, I would probably rarely boost statuses with replies disabled. When I post anything on social network, I am aware, that it is not paid advertising, not one way channel, and that the chance of feedback is the prize I pay for the the chance for the message to virally spread.
There are some kind of spam replies, which we definitely don't want there.
But you know, fossphobia is real thing. We don't need to fossphobia here on Mastodon
Lot of people who come here think, that all we need just to nationalize Microsoft, Apple and Instagram and that's it.
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Alright fediverse devs, I figured out how we can fix mansplaining.
@stefan I think that prompts like this in general are great. My only comment would be it assumes that mansplainers read everything that is presented to them, which in my experience, it is more of a selective reading before replying.
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Alright fediverse devs, I figured out how we can fix mansplaining.
@stefan On mobile, as soon as I confirm "No" thrice in a row, I have to click the textbox again for the touchscreen keyboard to (hopefully) appear.
However, this restarts the loop.
Is this the intended result? :p
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@stefan On mobile, as soon as I confirm "No" thrice in a row, I have to click the textbox again for the touchscreen keyboard to (hopefully) appear.
However, this restarts the loop.
Is this the intended result? :p
@soatok Pretty much!
This is just a quick tongue-in-cheek concept/demo, to get a point across. Ideally people would have this sort of mental checklist in mind when interacting with strangers. But I guess many just don't? If you can believe it!
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@stefan I think that prompts like this in general are great. My only comment would be it assumes that mansplainers read everything that is presented to them, which in my experience, it is more of a selective reading before replying.
@CCirco Maybe if you ask enough questions, enough of them get tired out!
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@CCirco Maybe if you ask enough questions, enough of them get tired out!
@stefan that is a good point - it just might work Stefan, it just might work.
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@stefan there could be a UX feature, which would disable replies under status, but it kind of denies the original meaning of social networks.
Anyway, I would probably rarely boost statuses with replies disabled. When I post anything on social network, I am aware, that it is not paid advertising, not one way channel, and that the chance of feedback is the prize I pay for the the chance for the message to virally spread.
There are some kind of spam replies, which we definitely don't want there.
But you know, fossphobia is real thing. We don't need to fossphobia here on Mastodon
Lot of people who come here think, that all we need just to nationalize Microsoft, Apple and Instagram and that's it.
@xChaos The challenge here is that we all use social media for different things, and our experience is also different, regardless of our intention.
As a (relatively) well-adjusted straight white dude, I never have to think too hard when I want to post something.
Nobody is going to jump into my mentions and attack or question any aspect of my identity. I hardly ever deal with mansplaining.
Marginalized people can easily attract vile attacks by just existing. And they need tools to defend themselves until moderators have a chance to step in and review the situation.
This metaphor illustrates something a bit different, but worth a read in this context as well.
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@xChaos The challenge here is that we all use social media for different things, and our experience is also different, regardless of our intention.
As a (relatively) well-adjusted straight white dude, I never have to think too hard when I want to post something.
Nobody is going to jump into my mentions and attack or question any aspect of my identity. I hardly ever deal with mansplaining.
Marginalized people can easily attract vile attacks by just existing. And they need tools to defend themselves until moderators have a chance to step in and review the situation.
This metaphor illustrates something a bit different, but worth a read in this context as well.
@stefan this is... complicated.
First of all.. if you are advocating FOSS against Microsoft or Apple ecosystems, you are actually advocating marginalized thing too.
We have this debate inside Czech Pirate Party (which BTW is very vocal, when it comes to rights of marginalized groups). They completely removed the entire "public money, public code" discourse from the party program, even the long term program. Because "voters won't understand". So it is minority, marginalized topic. But with tremendous consequences. Entire "big-tech" problem would not exist, if we did this right...
I agree some people don't think twice before replying something, and sometimes, they are not even target group of the original post.
But some people may feel, like "vile attack" is something completely unrelated to any social group, to which the original author belongs. But the engagement may be not always the right thing. But if someone wants "write-only" media, who is expected to read the messages, then? The promise of possible interaction is what people makes to move from TV to social media, I thing...
I would mind some warning like "you are not replying to person, which is not following you. Are you sure you want to proceed?". This would be gentle reminder, that maybe the person is not really interested in my opinion, which is of course ok.
Disabling comments under status is technically hard to implement, but it is close to disabling quoting, which was already implemented. Also, comments could be easily restricted to people followed by author...
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@xChaos The challenge here is that we all use social media for different things, and our experience is also different, regardless of our intention.
As a (relatively) well-adjusted straight white dude, I never have to think too hard when I want to post something.
Nobody is going to jump into my mentions and attack or question any aspect of my identity. I hardly ever deal with mansplaining.
Marginalized people can easily attract vile attacks by just existing. And they need tools to defend themselves until moderators have a chance to step in and review the situation.
This metaphor illustrates something a bit different, but worth a read in this context as well.
@stefan as for the linked post of Alice: yes, our instance was spammed by botnet, creating sever accounts spreading pro-russian propaganda (mostly, sometimes chaotically randomly interacting, for some time. I even had some chat with botnet operator (or maybe it was AI, but I doubt it). The demanded to cancel local pro-ukrainian account: it is not operated by me, and it is very polite, not even any gore videos or so, and it is anyway just mirror from Facebook (they like my local 2000 characters limit).
So I know, how this feels, kinda.
The "reply-guy" issue is completely different. We just tend to reply to certain topics. Sometimes we do it, because we consider it funny. Most of the replies are not intentionally hateful, but they may represent point of view alien to original post.
The LGBTQ topic is ... complicated, somehow. I actually started taking this seriously only after I saw Putin's propaganda machine targeting them as an example of "western decadence". Then I realized, that of course, that something is terribly wrong there and I saw the source of hate speech aligned with other types of propaganda, eg. climate change deniers.
While creating safe space for vulnerable minorities is important, I also seek kinda normal, non-safe, adult space: but just not controlled by corporations. So while I understand the need to leave eg. Xitter because of hate speech, and I don't want it there: I also want to do most of the stuff me and other people did on Xitter, we just don't want to be owned by the new owner.
And I am really not a minority of any kind (maybe just slightly neurodivergent, but probably rather typical). I just wanted to be somewhere else. I spent some effort to run the place and help to promote it. But my vision is not "minorities only", "safe space only". Of course: no nazi bar. But I am federalist, not intersectionalist.
Most people just seek interaction (with live people, no bots, no AI) and can withstand some amount of interaction...
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@cheeaun Maybe @andypiper has some insights?
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@stefan @cheeaun unfortunately I don't have any information on that (and we don't track specifics so it would be difficult to comment I think; will ask some folks about it though)
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@stefan as for the linked post of Alice: yes, our instance was spammed by botnet, creating sever accounts spreading pro-russian propaganda (mostly, sometimes chaotically randomly interacting, for some time. I even had some chat with botnet operator (or maybe it was AI, but I doubt it). The demanded to cancel local pro-ukrainian account: it is not operated by me, and it is very polite, not even any gore videos or so, and it is anyway just mirror from Facebook (they like my local 2000 characters limit).
So I know, how this feels, kinda.
The "reply-guy" issue is completely different. We just tend to reply to certain topics. Sometimes we do it, because we consider it funny. Most of the replies are not intentionally hateful, but they may represent point of view alien to original post.
The LGBTQ topic is ... complicated, somehow. I actually started taking this seriously only after I saw Putin's propaganda machine targeting them as an example of "western decadence". Then I realized, that of course, that something is terribly wrong there and I saw the source of hate speech aligned with other types of propaganda, eg. climate change deniers.
While creating safe space for vulnerable minorities is important, I also seek kinda normal, non-safe, adult space: but just not controlled by corporations. So while I understand the need to leave eg. Xitter because of hate speech, and I don't want it there: I also want to do most of the stuff me and other people did on Xitter, we just don't want to be owned by the new owner.
And I am really not a minority of any kind (maybe just slightly neurodivergent, but probably rather typical). I just wanted to be somewhere else. I spent some effort to run the place and help to promote it. But my vision is not "minorities only", "safe space only". Of course: no nazi bar. But I am federalist, not intersectionalist.
Most people just seek interaction (with live people, no bots, no AI) and can withstand some amount of interaction...
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@stefan this is... complicated.
First of all.. if you are advocating FOSS against Microsoft or Apple ecosystems, you are actually advocating marginalized thing too.
We have this debate inside Czech Pirate Party (which BTW is very vocal, when it comes to rights of marginalized groups). They completely removed the entire "public money, public code" discourse from the party program, even the long term program. Because "voters won't understand". So it is minority, marginalized topic. But with tremendous consequences. Entire "big-tech" problem would not exist, if we did this right...
I agree some people don't think twice before replying something, and sometimes, they are not even target group of the original post.
But some people may feel, like "vile attack" is something completely unrelated to any social group, to which the original author belongs. But the engagement may be not always the right thing. But if someone wants "write-only" media, who is expected to read the messages, then? The promise of possible interaction is what people makes to move from TV to social media, I thing...
I would mind some warning like "you are not replying to person, which is not following you. Are you sure you want to proceed?". This would be gentle reminder, that maybe the person is not really interested in my opinion, which is of course ok.
Disabling comments under status is technically hard to implement, but it is close to disabling quoting, which was already implemented. Also, comments could be easily restricted to people followed by author...
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@xChaos The challenge here is that we all use social media for different things, and our experience is also different, regardless of our intention.
As a (relatively) well-adjusted straight white dude, I never have to think too hard when I want to post something.
Nobody is going to jump into my mentions and attack or question any aspect of my identity. I hardly ever deal with mansplaining.
Marginalized people can easily attract vile attacks by just existing. And they need tools to defend themselves until moderators have a chance to step in and review the situation.
This metaphor illustrates something a bit different, but worth a read in this context as well.
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@stefan that is a good point - it just might work Stefan, it just might work.
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@CCirco Maybe if you ask enough questions, enough of them get tired out!
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@soatok Pretty much!
This is just a quick tongue-in-cheek concept/demo, to get a point across. Ideally people would have this sort of mental checklist in mind when interacting with strangers. But I guess many just don't? If you can believe it!
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@stefan On mobile, as soon as I confirm "No" thrice in a row, I have to click the textbox again for the touchscreen keyboard to (hopefully) appear.
However, this restarts the loop.
Is this the intended result? :p
