What are the platforms on the Fediverse doing to prevent data scraping and prevent bots?
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I feel pretty confident, despite a complete lack of evidence, that at least one state actor has had a listener running on the fediverse continuously since the w3c started publishing specs, and I would be surprised if the big llm providers like Anthropic and OpenAI don't run them as well -- they certainly have the resources and motivation to develop them. You're certainly correct that the vast majority of scrapers are attempting to harvest historical data using the web frontend, but those are the scrapers I am least afraid of and I think as a mental model for the average user "assume every post is scraped" is the best stance.
I don't think Anthropic or OpenAI have spent the time developing a custom ingest pipeline for such a small dataset. It doesn't seem like it'd give much enough of a return on investment.
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I don't think Anthropic or OpenAI have spent the time developing a custom ingest pipeline for such a small dataset. It doesn't seem like it'd give much enough of a return on investment.
Given that they are scrabbling around like drug addicts looking for anything they've split, including checking the cracks in the floorboards...
For some models, it's obvious they've long scrapped the erotic fan fic sites!
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Did I? I can't see how.
I don't think web crawlers overloading instances by downloading huge amounts of content and sending thousands of requests is the point of the Fediverse.
But I might be genuinely confused here. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The protocol and data are publicly available. Whether or not the use was the point, the mechanism permits it. You shouldn't expect the data not to be accessed.
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I've noticed that the issues above are becoming increasingly notorious across the entirety of the Fediverse. What's being done to mititage those issues?
Making posts and platforms private to users and not search engine indexable. That's about all that can be done.
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I've noticed that the issues above are becoming increasingly notorious across the entirety of the Fediverse. What's being done to mititage those issues?
The fediverse is open by design (add the header
Accept: application/activity+jsonto any item to get a json representation). Stopping scraping is impossible.Bots can be stopped with instance applications mainly.
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I feel pretty confident, despite a complete lack of evidence, that at least one state actor has had a listener running on the fediverse continuously since the w3c started publishing specs, and I would be surprised if the big llm providers like Anthropic and OpenAI don't run them as well -- they certainly have the resources and motivation to develop them. You're certainly correct that the vast majority of scrapers are attempting to harvest historical data using the web frontend, but those are the scrapers I am least afraid of and I think as a mental model for the average user "assume every post is scraped" is the best stance.
You are right: https://www.404media.co/the-200-sites-an-ice-surveillance-contractor-is-monitoring/
The fediverse and atproto are both easily scraped.
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I don't think Anthropic or OpenAI have spent the time developing a custom ingest pipeline for such a small dataset. It doesn't seem like it'd give much enough of a return on investment.
I dunno, we had 1.8 billion posts and 50 million comments from 1.1 million MAUs in June according to the fediverse observer. It's not nothing.
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I dunno, we had 1.8 billion posts and 50 million comments from 1.1 million MAUs in June according to the fediverse observer. It's not nothing.
Yeah, for them that's small potatoes.
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Bark, and fuck your nostril inhaler.!
I get what you’re doing here, but it’s just spam for humans primarily. I’m going to leave it, but please no more AI spam like this going forward (from anyone).
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Despite what some other people falsely claim here in the comments, scraping is actually not the same at all as federation. Besides not being reciprocal, scraping puts considerably higher load on the server to the point where it brings down entire servers or at least severely degrades the performance for legitimate users.
> scraping puts considerably higher load on the server to the point where it brings down entire servers or at least severely degrades the performance for legitimate users.
Up to a certain point though. I think what most people are objecting to is the relentless nature of these AI crawlers, disrespecting robots.txt and requesting the same resources ad infinitum.
After all, search engine crawlers do the same, but at a more manageable scale.
The argument that it's "non-reciprocal" is valid, though.
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