Downvoting is bad for the fediverse
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Not every platform on the fediverse has a downvote system, but those that do (Lemmy, piefed) are heading down a bad path, imo. Downvoting is one of the worst features of reddit, leading to dogpiling, group think, and silencing of minority viewpoints. I do see the value of it, on the surface, and if you want to enable it for yourself to allow certain posts to be downvoted for your own information, I think you should be allowed to do so, but having it set as default for all posts just leads to a toxic and conformist environment, which is what I thought the fediverse was trying to get away from.
I really like the ability to downvote. It enables me to say "this was badly argumented and a waste of my time" without spending too much effort for that. I'd write it anyway, but probably using impolite words that would be worse for the Fediverse than my downvotes are.
I dont remember where I've seen the stats, but I make about 10 upvotes per one downvote. I strongly believe at least my downvoting behaviour does more good than bad for the Forumverse.
When I was looking for a good instance for myself, Blåhaj seemed like an excellent fit, but when I noticed the downvote button was missing, I changed my mind. I would be annoyed if that feature disappeared altogether.
At least on PieFed's Matrix chat there has been very constructive conversations about whether and how to allow downvoting. To my eyes, the solutions they came up with seem very good.
Not that I'd remember off the back of my hand what the hell they decided in the end. Maybe someone will tell? :) @rimu@piefed.social @wjs018@piefed.social
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Not every platform on the fediverse has a downvote system, but those that do (Lemmy, piefed) are heading down a bad path, imo. Downvoting is one of the worst features of reddit, leading to dogpiling, group think, and silencing of minority viewpoints. I do see the value of it, on the surface, and if you want to enable it for yourself to allow certain posts to be downvoted for your own information, I think you should be allowed to do so, but having it set as default for all posts just leads to a toxic and conformist environment, which is what I thought the fediverse was trying to get away from.
I mean it's a mixed bag.. I get the idea of nothing should be removed, blocked, downvoted etc... as the ideal of free speach.
Right up until you look at every platform that explicitly avoids it and goes full "We're all about free speech!".
IE huge problem is, the first people to jump to those platforms, are the ones that have been banned for good reason from everywhere else. Which of course means... nazi's come in droves Reasonable people that either have less borderline, or perhaps no borderline thoughts get there... see 500 posts from nazi's, and head for the door imidiately, until it just turns into a nazi echo chamber.
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We never agree if they mean bury the content somewhere at the bottom. Or if it means " I disagree with what you wrote”.
I think this is a huge point and one thing I think is nice about Slashdot: you can indicate a reason for your vote.
Does Slashdot have both up- and downvotes? And if both, do you give a reason for upvotes as well?
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Not every platform on the fediverse has a downvote system, but those that do (Lemmy, piefed) are heading down a bad path, imo. Downvoting is one of the worst features of reddit, leading to dogpiling, group think, and silencing of minority viewpoints. I do see the value of it, on the surface, and if you want to enable it for yourself to allow certain posts to be downvoted for your own information, I think you should be allowed to do so, but having it set as default for all posts just leads to a toxic and conformist environment, which is what I thought the fediverse was trying to get away from.
I'd like to see automatic downvoting as a feature of the Fediverse. Don't give anyone the option to upvote or NOT to downvote. It's a race to Hell brothers and sisters.
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I mean it's a mixed bag.. I get the idea of nothing should be removed, blocked, downvoted etc... as the ideal of free speach.
Right up until you look at every platform that explicitly avoids it and goes full "We're all about free speech!".
IE huge problem is, the first people to jump to those platforms, are the ones that have been banned for good reason from everywhere else. Which of course means... nazi's come in droves Reasonable people that either have less borderline, or perhaps no borderline thoughts get there... see 500 posts from nazi's, and head for the door imidiately, until it just turns into a nazi echo chamber.
Why should downvotes be against free speech? I think downvotes are part of the expression of opinion.
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Not every platform on the fediverse has a downvote system, but those that do (Lemmy, piefed) are heading down a bad path, imo. Downvoting is one of the worst features of reddit, leading to dogpiling, group think, and silencing of minority viewpoints. I do see the value of it, on the surface, and if you want to enable it for yourself to allow certain posts to be downvoted for your own information, I think you should be allowed to do so, but having it set as default for all posts just leads to a toxic and conformist environment, which is what I thought the fediverse was trying to get away from.
unfortunately it varies from different instances, but there's quite a few that don't have voting.
and I can recommend voyager app because you can just turn them off in settings.
the beauty of the fediverse is that you can have requirements for your browsing patterns/instance that you can follow and not everyone has to do that very same thing. you can join a platform that represents your type of content or even make your own.
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I really like the ability to downvote. It enables me to say "this was badly argumented and a waste of my time" without spending too much effort for that. I'd write it anyway, but probably using impolite words that would be worse for the Fediverse than my downvotes are.
I dont remember where I've seen the stats, but I make about 10 upvotes per one downvote. I strongly believe at least my downvoting behaviour does more good than bad for the Forumverse.
When I was looking for a good instance for myself, Blåhaj seemed like an excellent fit, but when I noticed the downvote button was missing, I changed my mind. I would be annoyed if that feature disappeared altogether.
At least on PieFed's Matrix chat there has been very constructive conversations about whether and how to allow downvoting. To my eyes, the solutions they came up with seem very good.
Not that I'd remember off the back of my hand what the hell they decided in the end. Maybe someone will tell? :) @rimu@piefed.social @wjs018@piefed.social
Downvotes are to put a comment towards the bottom of the page for being irrelevant to the post, not to tell someone you disagree with them.
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Downvotes are to put a comment towards the bottom of the page for being irrelevant to the post, not to tell someone you disagree with them.
According to who?
Also, what's the difference? If I down vote you to bury your comment for being irrelevant, poorly worded, bad faith, etc. or down vote you because I don't like your comment, the result is the same.
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Not every platform on the fediverse has a downvote system, but those that do (Lemmy, piefed) are heading down a bad path, imo. Downvoting is one of the worst features of reddit, leading to dogpiling, group think, and silencing of minority viewpoints. I do see the value of it, on the surface, and if you want to enable it for yourself to allow certain posts to be downvoted for your own information, I think you should be allowed to do so, but having it set as default for all posts just leads to a toxic and conformist environment, which is what I thought the fediverse was trying to get away from.
I'd probably do less blocking if I could downvote instead. Not sure if that's good or bad.
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I mean it's a mixed bag.. I get the idea of nothing should be removed, blocked, downvoted etc... as the ideal of free speach.
Right up until you look at every platform that explicitly avoids it and goes full "We're all about free speech!".
IE huge problem is, the first people to jump to those platforms, are the ones that have been banned for good reason from everywhere else. Which of course means... nazi's come in droves Reasonable people that either have less borderline, or perhaps no borderline thoughts get there... see 500 posts from nazi's, and head for the door imidiately, until it just turns into a nazi echo chamber.
Blocking is completely unrelated to free speech. You having the right to say something does not imply that anyone should actually have to listen.
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