The politics of decentralization and the libertarian allure of the fediverse
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I would imagine that in this hypothetical scenario furries would be able to move to a new instance and keep reading their own posts without further interruption. If they wouldn’t move then they weren’t a community and just a bunch of random people. Then again I’m a person to build a vampire castle and keep posting into the void because too much popularity is annoying.
Sure, the furries can do that, but that just creates essentially segregated communities, and there are far fewer furries than non-furries. It really feels like you just want to pretend this isn't a problem, but I'm not sure why
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Sure, the furries can do that, but that just creates essentially segregated communities, and there are far fewer furries than non-furries. It really feels like you just want to pretend this isn't a problem, but I'm not sure why
I understand now that this is probably not a hypothetical scenario but I still believe that no instance owner owes a service to anyone. Thankfully we’re using a communication protocol that allows us to continue talking even if LW banned our accounts right now.
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This is somewhere between 'not a very compelling argument' to 'oh ok I guess left-anarchism doesn't exist'.
The whole thing is essentially ideology by, and as, analogy.
Cool!
Wanna try any empiricism?
Not an erudite vibes based argument?
Imagine Mastodon had a governance system where all users, admins and minorities were equally represented.
Nah, I'd rather try to imagine a goverance system where users and admins either don't exist as seperate categories, or are as close to indistinguishable as possible.
This person defines progress as managed, fair, hierachy.
... howabout abolishing class, to the greatest extent possible?
But according to this person, my backlash to this is rooted in ... property rights.
Got it.
Turbolib can't imagine any ideology other than their own, also grass is green.
Maybe they could come by the goverance comms of dbzer0 and the rest of the flotilla, for some exposure to some other ideas?
Yep, first thought that popped into my head after reading it was that it had big "freedom for me but not for thee" vibes. But of course their "freedom for me but not for thee" is better for everyone than the other kinds.
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I understand now that this is probably not a hypothetical scenario but I still believe that no instance owner owes a service to anyone. Thankfully we’re using a communication protocol that allows us to continue talking even if LW banned our accounts right now.
I'm not arguing that instance operators must be compelled to host communities or users they don't want to - just that the centralization of communities is a big issue for free speech and expression. I'm saying that we should acknowledge the problem and work to mitigate it.
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Yep, first thought that popped into my head after reading it was that it had big "freedom for me but not for thee" vibes. But of course their "freedom for me but not for thee" is better for everyone than the other kinds.
Not only is it better, its the only possible option.
Other options literally do not exist, you can't see them at all through the frame job of this Overton window, drapes are done up in Hayek, and if you don't like the drapes, you're an anarcho capitalist.
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I'm not arguing that instance operators must be compelled to host communities or users they don't want to - just that the centralization of communities is a big issue for free speech and expression. I'm saying that we should acknowledge the problem and work to mitigate it.
Agreed.
Interestingly enough this is something that later Dune novels touch on a lot.
::: spoiler God Emperor of Dune spoilers
Leto II had to put humanity through millennia of abuse for it to learn that dispersing is the best form of resisting tyranny.
:::I feel that we don’t have necessary tools to change nature of humanity but I’m happy we have Fediverse.
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Not only is it better, its the only possible option.
Other options literally do not exist, you can't see them at all through the frame job of this Overton window, drapes are done up in Hayek, and if you don't like the drapes, you're an anarcho capitalist.
lmao yeah xD
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This is something that has been on my mind as well - centralized platforms such as Reddit et al. are functionally monarchies, but the Fediverse is functionally feudal... which, y'know, isn't great... the thing is, I'm not sure how we can solve this problem, and I've thought about it quite a bit over the years.
The root of the issue is that there is no way to preserve privacy and also ensure that every user is a real human and not a bot/sockpuppet or whatever, so any forms of democracy are dead on arrival on the Internet. The only thing I can really think of would be a real-world fully mutual co-operative that requires in-person voting to decide on issues, but obviously that would mean that instances would need to be tied to a real-world location. I suppose live video calls might be possible, but idk... with modern AI deepfakes, even that might be prone to manipulation by malicious actors.
Until we've got a solution to that problem, I think federated feudal states is about the best we can do, and it's a vast improvement over the monarchic alternative.
One important difference to feudalism is that you can really easily move your homestead to another lord's domain.
I'd say that does solve a lot. Making instance-switching more fluent, and then yet more fluent, would be enough in my eyes.
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One important difference to feudalism is that you can really easily move your homestead to another lord's domain.
I'd say that does solve a lot. Making instance-switching more fluent, and then yet more fluent, would be enough in my eyes.
Peasants could move between fiefs, but fiefs couldn't easily move, except by gathering everyone up, and packing everything they can into a caravan, and taking a perilous journey to new lands. Users are peasants, communities are fiefs.
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