It's the internet, people.
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
I love how he says that as if imagining all the same-gender dinosaurs doing something debauched to each other.
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@jwildeboer yes, that's exactly what I have been thinking. We will end up with link lists again and making sure to use RSS. Being a little more concentrated is probably good for our attention span as well.
@mhagdorn @jwildeboer well said! Any algorithm driven feed gets so random; I do add subscriptions to Substack and RSS feeds to Inoreader/ Feedly from the good finds on BlueSky & Mastodon.
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@seharinsights The fediverse is a collection of connected services that use the ActvityPub/ActivityStreams standards. Mastodon is one of those services. Peertube another. And there are many more.
@jwildeboer @seharinsights is fediverse not WWW? Activity pub sits on top of http protocol. It extensively uses uris. ActivityPub is built on top of W3C standard of semantic web - nomen omen. I think fediverse is very much the web.
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@energisch_ On The Web, yes. But the internet is bigger than the web.After 30 years, it might be time to think about new things.
@jwildeboer @energisch_ Or old things, for that matter.
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...ignore them?
Do we need them? Did we ever? They don't own my domain or server. Do they own yours? We can build our own, have been, the communities at play never stopped. The internet is more than what they claim to scare us with.
#mastodon
#pixelfed
#pleroma
#akkoma
#lemmy
#yggdrasil
#i2p
#gemini
#gopher
#twtxt
#nostrTake it back. Tools are there.
@Walruths @energisch_ @jwildeboer I like to see it this way: The web 2.0/3.0/whatever.0 consists of ever more layers of #enshittification
But not layer 0.
Layer 0 is nerd net.
That mythical place Uncle Claude and Auntie Meta dare not go, because the nerd web doesn't scale. It's not profitable. It's not even unstructured, more like a fractal of tears in rain.
It might have been wrong to give the AOL people access to the web.
Who cannot come in alone shouldn't come to nerd net at all.
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
@jwildeboer even the web is not lost.
We just need to change the reference.
Google is not the reference of the web anymore since they want to kill it.Buy independent website still work, we can bring webrings or federated web search like Searx, or newer idea.
We should just stop using Google. It's hard, but it's feasible, and also, it's getting less and less hard as it's such a piece of utter garbage nowadays…
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
@jwildeboer
yeah, but internet without a proper search engine sucks.. and creating a new one that finds all the relevant information of the last decades (but ideally not the slop) won't be easyBUT - maybe it could be done with the data of archive.org?
would have further advantage of finding pages that are downwell, and something that indexes current relevant stuff, which, given the avalanche of slop on the current net, would best be curated by humans
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
@jwildeboer We need to invent some kind of decentralized search engine that is useful to all of us (i.e. we can't just crawl whatever)
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@jwildeboer even the web is not lost.
We just need to change the reference.
Google is not the reference of the web anymore since they want to kill it.Buy independent website still work, we can bring webrings or federated web search like Searx, or newer idea.
We should just stop using Google. It's hard, but it's feasible, and also, it's getting less and less hard as it's such a piece of utter garbage nowadays…
@dolanor @jwildeboer the passive-user web is over, though. Navigating the living web requires effort, and supporting the living web will cost money.
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@jwildeboer
yeah, but internet without a proper search engine sucks.. and creating a new one that finds all the relevant information of the last decades (but ideally not the slop) won't be easyBUT - maybe it could be done with the data of archive.org?
would have further advantage of finding pages that are downwell, and something that indexes current relevant stuff, which, given the avalanche of slop on the current net, would best be curated by humans
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
I'm of the opinion that organizations that are trying to turn the open internet into yet another walled garden should be thrown off every standards committee and RFC working group.
Why would we want Google to continue choosing the direction that browser standards go?
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I’d like to think of us all as digital velociraptors. Smaller than a t-Rex, maybe with feathers, but we will find a way.
@astroPug @jwildeboer Not velociraptors. They died out. Think of us as Asteriornis, Wonderchickens.
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@astroPug @jwildeboer Not velociraptors. They died out. Think of us as Asteriornis, Wonderchickens.
How could anyone resist something called a wonderchicken?
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@jwildeboer We need to invent some kind of decentralized search engine that is useful to all of us (i.e. we can't just crawl whatever)
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