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@oblomov @scruss That’s it: there’s always a gray zone around whatever definition you go with!

@scruss @oblomov I like your definition! It does seem to cover the video game situation.

It’s more questionable whether it would cover kids playing “house” together, where there is an interaction, but the goal is arguably undefined. There’s definitely no defined *outcome*, but I guess the goal is to replicate in play what they see adults doing.

I love this topic so much! The concept of a game is so slippery, but on first thought it seems like it should be so obvious!

@oblomov @scruss But this might exclude professional games, like high level chess. Are chess masters entertained by their games, or does it become more of a training mechanism/professional obligation?

Wittgenstein was very concerned with meaning in language, and used “game” as the epitome of how difficult definitions can be. For something to include the gamut of children’s clapping games (no score) to solitaire (no opponent) to professional chess (no fun), it’s really hard to define pithily!