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@gubi
You're making too many wrong assumptions in almost every your statement, which I have neither mood nor energy to debunk.
We're here resisting ongoing genocide, not just trying to survive it, let me remind you. And it started not in 2022, it just the latest stage so far.
I don't think the war is the answer, but right now we don't really have a choice.
Enjoy your life.
@gubi
Not exactly: friends and relatives of no matter dead or alive russian soldiers are having Ukrainian blood on their hands. They had the choice and made it.
Russian passport means taxes into russian economy and thus - war machine.
They had enough time to prevent or stop the war. Or at least they could refuse going here and killing us. They just don't care if they or their close ones kill people.
I don't consider corrupt Ukrainians to be friends. But they will be dealt with.
@gubi
But I assume your point was like "Ukrainian elites does not want to end the war, because that's how they make money" which IS a russian propaganda.
I already said what happens when russian troops enter any city, and you are insisting on letting them in without fight, because they will do that anyway.
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@gubi
You mean the one, where anti-corruption institution here did their job and busted a major scheme? That's unfortunate that the scheme existed, but it's no more.
Do we have corruption here? Yes, unfortunately. Is it worse then in Europe/USA? I don't think so
Does they steal money because of the war? I'd say it's rather despite the war, but it's being addressed because of civil society functioning, that not many countries cat brag about.
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@gubi
> "Russians" means nothing, is a stereotype.
Depending on context it can either identity, or citizenship. Both groups contributed a lot to me being bombed rn. One - financially or by joining rus. army, another - ideologically or/and whitewashing the first one.
> Ukrainian elites
Here you're better go educate/fuck yourself. Which one - depends on whether you're not aware or just spreading russian propaganda.
Have a good one.
@gubi
That's the tip of the iceberg. russians are still holding to their imperial identity and times when they were the core of the empire. Moreover that's not the first time they are trying to erase either us or our identity. But enough of that.
You suggesting us to give up just because you think that russia have the unlimited resources.
As I said: check on Buchaand Irpin massacres and Kherson occupation. There are clear examples of what can happen. Until that I see no reason to continue
@gubi
Look at what happened in Bucha, and Irpin where russians has entered without much resistance. Find any materials about what was going on in Kherson during the occupation. Research how russians are "reeducating" children in occupied southern Ukraine or torturing journalists to death
The problem is russians are not here to ensure human rights. They started this war to erase us as a nation, they continue doing so, and the only thing that prevents them is AFU.
> both of us are refusing
That's only your impression.
>see from your couch
I'm a Ukrainian who happened to live on donbas. I spend a lion's share of my time and salary volunteering for AFU. Some of my closest ones have already lost their towns and houses to the russian invaders.
Tell me more about coaches, you seem to be an expert.