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@dalias @xgranade mostly, that the developer fully understands the code

@dalias @xgranade if it's truly slop, I won't even review it. if it is a thoughtful contribution that happened to (responsibly) use LLMs somewhere in the development process, I will. if the error rate does start becoming a problem, I will probably stop accepting such contributions altogether.

@xgranade @dalias I understand, but at least for Python in specific, the level of scrutiny put on contributions is greater than the kind of issues you are mentioning. if these contributions are being accepted, it is because it was practical to review contributions that made use of LLMs, if that starts not being the case, they will stop being accepted. that said, I still disagree with it on an ethical level.

@outfrost @dalias @xgranade like I have said already, user code can also be deceiving, to maintain a project like Python you have to be able to spot its problems

@dalias @xgranade yeah but I am not merging without going through the same mental processes myself, I have to understand the code I am merging

@dalias @xgranade I can concede of the provenance and licensing, but on the last point, that can also be true from regular user contributions. to be a good maintainer you need to be able catch those errors, so it doesn't matter if it comes from a real user or a LLM. especially in a project like Python, where the smallest thing can break a lot of code downstream.

@xgranade @dalias I am reviewing your code the same, but if you are using LLMs for nonsense slop, or code you otherwise don't understand, we will ban you. your technical argument be stronger if we didn't have real people reviewing the code, but we do, so I do not think it holds much weight.

@dalias @xgranade we already ban those slop spammers. that leaves reasonable contributors, but no it isn't a good argument. some highly knowledgeable folks that I know are experimenting using LLMs as a tool with success, while I dislike it due to ethical reasons, there is no objective technical reason to reject those contributions.

@xgranade I agree, but it's not up to me 🫤

@xgranade I also dislike it, but the cat's out of the bag, even if it wasn't allowed people would still be using it, just without revealing it

@xgranade you shouldn't really be judging the code authors, but rather the maintainers. writing code is usually easier than reviewing it.