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@packetcat The SMTP RFC recommended defaults are retry every 30 minutes for 5 days. When delivery is immediate everybody's happy, but anyone who's had to wait for a 2FA code can share their consternation. This hardly seems a reasonable platform on which to build an _instant_ messenger.

@packetcat Amusingly enough this was the thing that let me get some folk onto Matrix: "Install Element, get account on matrix.org, chat." Despite having a decent enough experience with it these last few years, I've started to sour on it.

I'm keeping my eye out for similar experiences in XMPP. Conversations and converse.js have their own servers you can register on, but I need to give them a more thorough shakedown before I recommend them to anyone else.

@packetcat I've found myself back in the thick of this in the past month or so.

IRC by way of Weechat's relay protocol is moderately usable. I wouldn't want to spend any significant amount of time here, but I can at least check in.

XMPP is better with multi-device than I remembered from the Good Ol Days thanks to Message Carbons and Message Archive Management. OMEMO is admittedly cumbersome in its present form, but I feel like if clients gave it the same UX treatment that Element did it would be more viable. I have some gateways bookmarked to look into when more free time comes my way, notably Biboumi to pull my IRC in.

Matrix... well, you covered that 🫤

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@davey_cakes @Unlikelylass My consideration of paying extra is only if I know that money will be going directly toward supporting an individual human being or small group, not some other corporation that has sprouted up to capitalize on this sentiment.

@jima Anyone who says "nobody is using IPv6" at this point is living in a different world, perhaps willingly.