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Fediverso Vs Bluesky, Activitypub Vs ATProto: come si può porre fine a una guerra insensata

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    Fediverso Vs Bluesky, Activitypub Vs ATProto: come si può porre fine a una guerra insensata?

    Nell'ultimo anno, con la crescente popolarità di Bluesky, anche le discussioni sulla reale "decentralizzazione" di Bluesky e ATProto sono diventate più "popolari". Queste discussioni spaziavano da articoli di alta qualità e produttivi, a persone che dicevano un sacco di stupidaggini su internet (che sorpresa, lo so). Con il passare del tempo, tuttavia, questo dibattito è diventato sempre più aspro e violento. Con l'aumento dei tentativi dei governi di controllare l'accesso a internet, anche le discussioni su questo tema si sono fatte più intense.

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      Per capirne qualcosa sulle differenze tra protocolli ActivityPub e ATProto, Fediverso e Bluesky, secondo me, bisognerebbe partire dal lungo ed esauriente post di Christine Lemmer-Webber, disponibile al link dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/ , dove dice: "However, I stand by my assertions that Bluesky is not meaningfully decentralized and that it is certainly not federated according to any technical definition of federation we have had in a decentralized social network context previously. To claim that Bluesky is decentralized or federated in its current form moves the goalposts of both of those terms, which I find unacceptable."

      Per il resto le minacce ai social provenienti dai governi, come chatcontrol e le verifiche sull'età, sono reali come dice l'articolo. Si tratta, secondo me, di leader ignoranti, demoniaci, superficiali, obbedienti alle sollecitazioni di lobby private che mirano a soffocare il sociale per promuovere il lavoro buroindotto, dove appunto i gruppi privati hanno la scusa buona per farsi avanti, per offrire al mercato buroindotto soluzioni a pagamento al fine di tutelarti dalle sanzioni e dalle conseguenze penali, se non ti adegui alle normative.

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      • skaundefined
        ska

        julian Oh, you're right. I never did it manually and they must have defederated for some reason.

        Sorry, but I absolutely hadn't noticed this, so I'd say the problem with NodeBB is solved then 🙂

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      • julianundefined
        julian

        ska can you please check that those three posts are actually federated outwards?

        The human-readable URLs don't contain the expected Link header to the ActivityPub resource.

        e.g.

        link: ; rel="friends-base-url" link: ; rel="https://api.w.org/" link: ; rel="alternate"; title="JSON"; type="application/json" link: ; rel=shortlink

        It does contain the shortlink, which I tried to pull with the appropriate Accept header, but was sent HTML in response.

        Perhaps there is a toggle you can press to enable federation on those posts?

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      • julianundefined
        julian

        Confirming at this time that at least the first URL shared does not get pulled in. Debugging.

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      • skaundefined
        ska

        julian said in Can't view my Wordpress federated post:
        > ska which one doesn't work?
        >
        > Does it work here?

        I'm still on the dev branch and almost all of them work, but not all. For example:

        https://www.lealternative.net/2020/10/13/giocare-a-tron-online
        https://www.lealternative.net/2020/03/25/alternative-ad-android/
        https://www.lealternative.net/2023/02/24/native-alpha/

        These don't work.

        In the logs, only the GET request is visible, but without the response.

        Most of those that didn't work before now do, such as: https://www.lealternative.net/2025/09/10/abbiamo-provato-la-vpn-a-pagamento-di-duckduckgo/

        Also, all Mastodon posts now seem to work, whereas many had problems before.

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      • julianundefined
        julian

        ska which one doesn't work?

        Does it work here?

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      • skaundefined
        ska

        julian Just for completeness: some old Wordpress posts still aren't working. It's still better than before because, for example, the more recent ones are now visible, but it still seems worse to me than it was before v4.5.0.

        2025-09-11T14:58:06.590Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://www.lealternative.net/2023/02/24/native-alpha/ 2025-09-11T14:58:09.045Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://www.lealternative.net/2020/03/25/alternative-ad-android/ 2025-09-11T14:58:17.600Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://www.lealternative.net/2020/10/13/giocare-a-tron-online/ 2025-09-11T14:58:18.673Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [activitypub/verify] Starting signature verification... 2025-09-11T14:58:18.674Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [activitypub/verify] Retrieving pubkey for https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/tillku#main-key 2025-09-11T14:58:18.676Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/tillku#main-key 2025-09-11T14:58:19.415Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [activitypub/get] Received 404 when querying https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/tillku#main-key 2025-09-11T14:58:19.416Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [activitypub/get] Error received: Not Found 2025-09-11T14:58:19.416Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [activitypub/verify] Failed, key retrieval or verification failure. 2025-09-11T14:58:19.416Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [middleware/activitypub] HTTP signature verification failed. 2025-09-11T14:58:33.567Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://www.lealternative.net/2020/08/11/giocare-ad-asteroids/ 2025-09-11T14:59:10.865Z [4567/205275] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://www.lealternative.net/2022/04/01/connecman/
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      • julianundefined
        julian

        ska ok great news thank you!

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      • skaundefined
        ska

        this is what i got on shell when i search a wordpress post (that does not work on stable version) but now it works:

        2025-09-11T14:44:01.289Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://www.lealternative.net/2025/09/10/abbiamo-provato-la-vpn-a-pagamento-di-duckduckgo/ 2025-09-11T14:44:01.549Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/verify] Starting signature verification... 2025-09-11T14:44:01.551Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/verify] Retrieving pubkey for https://babka.social/users/Michael54_#main-key 2025-09-11T14:44:01.553Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://babka.social/users/Michael54_#main-key 2025-09-11T14:44:01.993Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/get] Received 404 when querying https://babka.social/users/Michael54_#main-key 2025-09-11T14:44:01.993Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/get] Error received: Not Found 2025-09-11T14:44:01.993Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/verify] Failed, key retrieval or verification failure. 2025-09-11T14:44:01.993Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [middleware/activitypub] HTTP signature verification failed. 2025-09-11T14:44:02.243Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://www.lealternative.net/?p=63789 2025-09-11T14:44:02.726Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://www.lealternative.net/wp-json/activitypub/1.0/posts/63789/context 2025-09-11T14:44:02.975Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/context] Retrieving context/page https://www.lealternative.net/wp-json/activitypub/1.0/posts/63789/context 2025-09-11T14:44:02.975Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/context] Retrieved https://www.lealternative.net/?p=63789 2025-09-11T14:44:02.975Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/context] Parsing https://www.lealternative.net/?p=63789 2025-09-11T14:44:02.982Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/mocks.post] Received image not identified as image due to MIME type: https://www.lealternative.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/duckduckgoprivacypro-1024x576.jpg 2025-09-11T14:44:02.984Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/context] Found 1 items. 2025-09-11T14:44:02.990Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/actors] Asserting 2 actor(s) 2025-09-11T14:44:02.990Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/actors] Processing https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#Public 2025-09-11T14:44:02.990Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/actors] Processing https://www.lealternative.net/wp-json/activitypub/1.0/actors/1/followers 2025-09-11T14:44:03.004Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#Public 2025-09-11T14:44:03.004Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/get] https://www.lealternative.net/wp-json/activitypub/1.0/actors/1/followers 2025-09-11T14:44:03.642Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub] Checking auto-categorization rules. 2025-09-11T14:44:03.648Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [notes/assert] 1 new note(s) found. 2025-09-11T14:44:03.757Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/notes.assert] Associating tid e5663ce5-d017-44e1-807f-2e5642c107fb with context https://www.lealternative.net/wp-json/activitypub/1.0/posts/63789/context 2025-09-11T14:44:03.779Z [4567/205061] - verbose: [activitypub/syncUserInboxes] Syncing tid e5663ce5-d017-44e1-807f-2e5642c107fb with 2 inboxes
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