Right, fediverse, let me know what you think.
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(Personally, option 1 feels like a violation to me – content belongs to the author not to the host and moderators should no more be deleting other people’s posts than they should be editing them – while option 2 – especially combined with a limit and/or suspension or the threat thereof – is well within the rights of the host regardless of whether I agree with the actual moderation decision itself. Option 1 feels like censorship while option 2 – while it could easily constitute censorship – feels more like moderation to me.)
@aral Ads belong to the web site, not to me, but the minute they arrive at my computer it's my right to delete them. Same goes for anyone else I allow to use my computer.
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@aral Ads belong to the web site, not to me, but the minute they arrive at my computer it's my right to delete them. Same goes for anyone else I allow to use my computer.
@aral …however, I think deletions by moderators should *always* be marked to show that something was deleted, ideally with the reason why.
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Actually, here’s what I really think is lacking: a hide post moderation option in Mastodon.
Instead of deleting posts, moderators should be able to hide posts.
Posts that are hidden by moderators should keep their place in the timeline but state publicly that they were hidden by moderators.
(Servers other than the originating server must treat hidden posts as otherwise deleted and remove their local cache of the content. This is no different to the existing social contact for federated deletes.)
The server should also clearly communicate to the person in question (this can be automated) that their post has been hidden and that they can challenge the decision via regular channels by filing an appeal. (And, if they don’t like the moderation, they can move to a different server, etc., as per usual.)
That would feel much better to me than deleting a post outright and it can be combined with a moderation policy that promises not to delete or edit other people’s posts.
It would also allow for an appeal process and the possible reinstatement of a post should it be found that a moderation error has occurred.
#mastodon #moderation #fediverse #postDeletion #postHiding #authorship #censorship #ownership
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Actually, here’s what I really think is lacking: a hide post moderation option in Mastodon.
Instead of deleting posts, moderators should be able to hide posts.
Posts that are hidden by moderators should keep their place in the timeline but state publicly that they were hidden by moderators.
(Servers other than the originating server must treat hidden posts as otherwise deleted and remove their local cache of the content. This is no different to the existing social contact for federated deletes.)
The server should also clearly communicate to the person in question (this can be automated) that their post has been hidden and that they can challenge the decision via regular channels by filing an appeal. (And, if they don’t like the moderation, they can move to a different server, etc., as per usual.)
That would feel much better to me than deleting a post outright and it can be combined with a moderation policy that promises not to delete or edit other people’s posts.
It would also allow for an appeal process and the possible reinstatement of a post should it be found that a moderation error has occurred.
#mastodon #moderation #fediverse #postDeletion #postHiding #authorship #censorship #ownership
@aral @staff @haubles I like what you describe as a default option and process.
I do think, though, that moderators/admins should reserve the right to use deletion for content that is illegal or a massive violation of terms of service. If someone posts CSAM, for instance, I don’t think you as an admin *want that on your server*. That kind of vile stuff needs to be removed, in my opinion. If I operated an instance (I don’t), I would want to do that.
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@aral @staff @haubles I like what you describe as a default option and process.
I do think, though, that moderators/admins should reserve the right to use deletion for content that is illegal or a massive violation of terms of service. If someone posts CSAM, for instance, I don’t think you as an admin *want that on your server*. That kind of vile stuff needs to be removed, in my opinion. If I operated an instance (I don’t), I would want to do that.
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@aral I hate this question, but in this instance I have to ask it myself: Where do you draw the line? Should mods not be allowed to delete phishing attempts, child pornography or nazi propaganda?
Of course those are extreme examples, but unless the hoster is a country or other kind of public hand entity, its not censorship.A mod shouldn't delete a post without an automatic mail being sent to the user (if its a human being) so the user has the content of the post in the mail and create an account elsewhere in the Fediverse and repost the content. That's far from censorship.
@PaulaToThePeople @aral If the content of the post is illegal then by sending that content to the original poster the moderator has just broken the law. And the server operators and moderator personally are, often unlike the original poster, trivial to identify and prosecute.
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Right, fediverse, let me know what you think. Long-form comments also welcome.
Mastodon instance moderators should…
@aral
Wow, 2 out of 3 persons (presumably mainly your followers) are voting for the autocrat mode, showing complete disrespect for authors who don't comply with admins' interpretation of server rules. Just kick'm in the ass, is their way to deal with deviants.
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@aral
Wow, 2 out of 3 persons (presumably mainly your followers) are voting for the autocrat mode, showing complete disrespect for authors who don't comply with admins' interpretation of server rules. Just kick'm in the ass, is their way to deal with deviants.
If they would accept your compromise solution?@messaroundmarx To be fair, the lack of characters in poll responses meant that I a lot of people took option two to mean “do not moderate at all”.
The replies are more interesting.
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@messaroundmarx To be fair, the lack of characters in poll responses meant that I a lot of people took option two to mean “do not moderate at all”.
The replies are more interesting.
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@aral
Okay, maybe retrying with your recent proposal?@messaroundmarx I think it has already reached the right folks ;)
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