It's the internet, people.
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@jwildeboer as far as I can tell, the only thing between google/youtube/etc being as big as they are today, and a completely decentralized internet (or even internets!), is the people's tendency to latch onto comfort and be afraid of change.
If everyone would dump big tech in favor of selfhosted grassroots communities and systems, we could become the next big tech ourselves
If everyone would buy a meshtastic node today we could have another internet
Anything is possible if you work towards it
Meshtastic is more like a telegram service than the internet.
Totally onboard with the "self-host all the things", though!
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Meshtastic is more like a telegram service than the internet.
Totally onboard with the "self-host all the things", though!
@evryway @jwildeboer selfhost all the things!
and I mean the bandwidth is very limited, but it depends on what you want to do with it; some ideas:
- use it to negotiate higher speed connections on different direct protocols
- bare minimum optimized comms, kinda 80-90s style instead of the modern "let's wrap everything in a fat high overhead variable dump interpreted by a full application we send to you as whole every (uncached) page refresh"it's also more of an example of things we could make
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
@jwildeboer fediverse and mastodon??? Can you tell me the difference
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@jwildeboer fediverse and mastodon??? Can you tell me the difference
@seharinsights The fediverse is a collection of connected services that use the ActvityPub/ActivityStreams standards. Mastodon is one of those services. Peertube another. And there are many more.
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
☝️What @jwildeboer says! 👍 #Fediverse -
It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
I’d like to think of us all as digital velociraptors. Smaller than a t-Rex, maybe with feathers, but we will find a way.
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I’d like to think of us all as digital velociraptors. Smaller than a t-Rex, maybe with feathers, but we will find a way.
@astroPug Swarms beat giants ;)
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
@jwildeboer …by moving to the darknet.
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
@jwildeboer De:#TechBros tech
Graduate #FossilFuels #Oligarchy #TechBros with #sustainability #scientists
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
说得对，互联网本来就该属于我们每一个人。就算网页被巨头绑架了，至少还有联邦宇宙这样的地方可以找回那种自由的感觉。
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
@jwildeboer The Web will always be ours. Sure, corporate greed thought they could own and control it. But the Real Web existed long before it became the so-called world wide web. We already used bulletin boards, usenet, chats, mail and echomail on FidoNet.
Society will prevail above corporations 😘
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
@jwildeboer stay tuned, workin’ on makin a subspace internet (:
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
@jwildeboer you're right.
I don't think we decided to trust Google as much as we just had a lot on, though 😃
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@jwildeboer We might have to throw out all those A.I.sloppers like Google, and take back OUR internet!
...ignore them?
Do we need them? Did we ever? They don't own my domain or server. Do they own yours? We can build our own, have been, the communities at play never stopped. The internet is more than what they claim to scare us with.
#mastodon
#pixelfed
#pleroma
#akkoma
#lemmy
#yggdrasil
#i2p
#gemini
#gopher
#twtxt
#nostrTake it back. Tools are there.
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
I love how he says that as if imagining all the same-gender dinosaurs doing something debauched to each other.
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@jwildeboer yes, that's exactly what I have been thinking. We will end up with link lists again and making sure to use RSS. Being a little more concentrated is probably good for our attention span as well.
@mhagdorn @jwildeboer well said! Any algorithm driven feed gets so random; I do add subscriptions to Substack and RSS feeds to Inoreader/ Feedly from the good finds on BlueSky & Mastodon.
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@seharinsights The fediverse is a collection of connected services that use the ActvityPub/ActivityStreams standards. Mastodon is one of those services. Peertube another. And there are many more.
@jwildeboer @seharinsights is fediverse not WWW? Activity pub sits on top of http protocol. It extensively uses uris. ActivityPub is built on top of W3C standard of semantic web - nomen omen. I think fediverse is very much the web.
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@energisch_ On The Web, yes. But the internet is bigger than the web.After 30 years, it might be time to think about new things.
@jwildeboer @energisch_ Or old things, for that matter.
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...ignore them?
Do we need them? Did we ever? They don't own my domain or server. Do they own yours? We can build our own, have been, the communities at play never stopped. The internet is more than what they claim to scare us with.
#mastodon
#pixelfed
#pleroma
#akkoma
#lemmy
#yggdrasil
#i2p
#gemini
#gopher
#twtxt
#nostrTake it back. Tools are there.
@Walruths @energisch_ @jwildeboer I like to see it this way: The web 2.0/3.0/whatever.0 consists of ever more layers of #enshittification
But not layer 0.
Layer 0 is nerd net.
That mythical place Uncle Claude and Auntie Meta dare not go, because the nerd web doesn't scale. It's not profitable. It's not even unstructured, more like a fractal of tears in rain.
It might have been wrong to give the AOL people access to the web.
Who cannot come in alone shouldn't come to nerd net at all.
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It's the internet, people. It's OUR internet. Just because we decided to trust Google to not be evil doesn't mean that Google decides the future of the internet. We may very well have lost The Web, but we still can make the Internet of People. Decentralised. Unownable ;) Being here on the #Fediverse is part of that.
@jwildeboer even the web is not lost.
We just need to change the reference.
Google is not the reference of the web anymore since they want to kill it.Buy independent website still work, we can bring webrings or federated web search like Searx, or newer idea.
We should just stop using Google. It's hard, but it's feasible, and also, it's getting less and less hard as it's such a piece of utter garbage nowadays…
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