Blacksky has already built their own ATProto stack that's fully independent from Bluesky.
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@pahoittelemme Kind of a moot point. Bluesky has people. Twitter has people. So why do so few people want to be here?
You can't just attribute this to bad UX. People on Bluesky complain about not being able to edit posts, create private accounts, blocks being public, all kinds of UX problems.
It's not even an issue of having to pick a server, look at all the people who figured out that part, and now they're gone.
https://mastodon-analytics.com
Some will say that fediverse is "too complicated", but we've seen people install VPNs to get around TikTok bans and age restrictions, and now they're talking about migrating between PDSes and AppViews on Bluesky.
It's the culture here.
@stefan @pahoittelemme @rolle
On a slight sidetrack... looking at the numbers for bluesky it doesn't look like it's any better when it comes to users vs. active users. So a lot of people don't want to be there either.Lies < damned lies < statistics, I know. And those mastodon analytics linked seem to be outdated as well.
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@pahoittelemme Are you thinking of millions of inactive users?
https://mastodon-analytics.com
The hostility, particularly towards Black people has been well documented.
https://logicmag.io/policy/blackness-in-the-fediverse-a-conversation-with-marcia-x/
https://privacy.thenexus.today/start-making-the-fediverse-less-toxic/
Every few days there is a woman talking about the sexism on here. Seems really hard to miss this stuff.
@stefan this is super serious. A question I keep thinking is if people don't face those things on BlueSky and other networks? @pahoittelemme @rolle
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@pahoittelemme Kind of a moot point. Bluesky has people. Twitter has people. So why do so few people want to be here?
You can't just attribute this to bad UX. People on Bluesky complain about not being able to edit posts, create private accounts, blocks being public, all kinds of UX problems.
It's not even an issue of having to pick a server, look at all the people who figured out that part, and now they're gone.
https://mastodon-analytics.com
Some will say that fediverse is "too complicated", but we've seen people install VPNs to get around TikTok bans and age restrictions, and now they're talking about migrating between PDSes and AppViews on Bluesky.
It's the culture here.
@Stefan Bohacek @Lentävä Kalakukko @Roni Rolle Laukkarinen Thing is, many expect the Fediverse to be one big perfectly cosy and fluffy hugbox in which everyone is always nice to one another. 100% anti-racist, 100% anti-sexist, 100% anti-ableist and so forth.
Also, they expect it to be only Mastodon. They expect it to be nothing but a microblogging service with no more than 500 characters.
Why? Because it's basically exactly that that the Fediverse has been implied (or outright announced) being to them, and be it by telling them that "the Fediverse" is the polar opposite of 𝕏 culture-wise.
The moment that any of the above proves itself to them as not true, they're so deeply disturbed that they're making a mad dash towards the exit, even though they don't know where else to go. Either that, or they make it their goal to fight for the Fediverse to become what they thought it is.
It's largely because of these people that the Fediverse becomes a minefield for all non-Mastodon Fediverse users the very moment they establish their very first contact with Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #MastodonCulture #FediverseCulture -
Blacksky has already built their own ATProto stack that's fully independent from Bluesky.
Now Eurosky is making progress as they roll out their own PDS.
I see more independent infrastructure springing up on https://atp.fyi/network, including AppViews.
For anyone hoping that we'll get another wave of people coming to the fediverse once Bluesky folds/enshittifies, that might not necessarily be the case as people will have more options to stay in the Atmosphere.
@stefan serious question - to what degree can Blacksky operate if they are completely severed from Bluesky?
I.e. If Bluesky LLC cuts off access to Bluesky LLC operated infrastructure, does Blacksky still exist?
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And I know, some of you don't care, you want to keep the fediverse toxic and unwelcoming, I guess that's fine. It's just a shame.
And for the "I'm just trying to be genuinely helpful" crowd:
https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/116008392469985653
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And I know, some of you don't care, you want to keep the fediverse toxic and unwelcoming, I guess that's fine. It's just a shame.
@stefan I can feel the frustration in your tone, and I feel ya. By far the biggest problem with the Fediverse exercise!
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I hope these get implemented some day:
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/8565
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@stefan @pahoittelemme @rolle it's simple, there aren't enough celebrities and social media influencers on here. People say they want real connection but they want cheap dopamine hits. Most people anyway
@init6 @stefan @pahoittelemme @rolle
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@stefan @mick with some small caveats like that they only have around 2600 users so it would be like if somewhere around the 400th largest fedi server would be left to their own devices... and that they still depend on Bluesky corp. through all the components of ATproto that the corporation basically controls the development of.
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I hope these get implemented some day:
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/8565
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/14762@rolle @stefan @pahoittelemme it looks like @gotosocial already implements some of this: https://docs.gotosocial.org/federation/interaction_controls/
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@stefan @mick fedi development it not quite as centralized.
I was going by this https://blue.mackuba.eu/directory/pdses
Also if they're not yet in production they're not really ready... I assume there's a reason it is still in staging and it has taken a fairly long time, IIRC performance has been a significant issue. You need a lot of money to host the appview to begin with, even if you have a fairly insignificant number of users...
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