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  4. Terence @Edent, Jason @north, Hong @hongminhee, I appreciate your steps in #i18n for #FediVerse.

Terence @Edent, Jason @north, Hong @hongminhee, I appreciate your steps in #i18n for #FediVerse.

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    Terence @Edent, Jason @north, Hong @hongminhee, I appreciate your steps in #i18n for #FediVerse. Do you plan to attend #FediForum next week (28-30 April, 15-20h UTC)? I will propose a session on "#Globally-inclusive Fediverse handles". If you were present, it would improve the session. I think Philip Patsch @Profpatsch will demo too. https://fediforum.org/2026-04/ #UniversalAcceptance #Multilingual

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      Terence @Edent, Jason @north, Hong @hongminhee, I appreciate your steps in #i18n for #FediVerse. Do you plan to attend #FediForum next week (28-30 April, 15-20h UTC)? I will propose a session on "#Globally-inclusive Fediverse handles". If you were present, it would improve the session. I think Philip Patsch @Profpatsch will demo too. https://fediforum.org/2026-04/ #UniversalAcceptance #Multilingual

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      @jdlh@mstdn.ca Thanks for the invite! Unfortunately I won't be able to make it this time, but the session sounds great. Would love to hear how it goes!

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        @hongminhee I will definitely post about the session.

        I realise that for people in a UTC+9 time zone, UTC 15-20h is about the worst possible time for a meeting. 🙂

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          Terence @Edent, Jason @north, Hong @hongminhee, I appreciate your steps in #i18n for #FediVerse. Do you plan to attend #FediForum next week (28-30 April, 15-20h UTC)? I will propose a session on "#Globally-inclusive Fediverse handles". If you were present, it would improve the session. I think Philip Patsch @Profpatsch will demo too. https://fediforum.org/2026-04/ #UniversalAcceptance #Multilingual

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          @jdlh @north @hongminhee @Profpatsch
          Brilliant idea. I'd love to come but can't afford the ticket. Please put me down as supporting your effort.

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            @jdlh @north @hongminhee @Profpatsch
            Brilliant idea. I'd love to come but can't afford the ticket. Please put me down as supporting your effort.

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            @Edent @jdlh @north @Profpatsch I would love to see this initiative happen outside of fediforum where there is no hurdle of needing to pay money to participate. this is also an issue I have but quite a bit of time into researching over the years and I would love to participate in these discussions! maybe we can find time zone that would work well for @hongminhee too

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            • liaizon@social.wake.stundefined liaizon@social.wake.st

              @Edent @jdlh @north @Profpatsch I would love to see this initiative happen outside of fediforum where there is no hurdle of needing to pay money to participate. this is also an issue I have but quite a bit of time into researching over the years and I would love to participate in these discussions! maybe we can find time zone that would work well for @hongminhee too

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              @Edent @jdlh @Profpatsch @hongminhee My thoughts mirror @liaizon exactly, I would love to see something set up at a time and place that works for everybody.

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              • liaizon@social.wake.stundefined liaizon@social.wake.st

                @Edent @jdlh @north @Profpatsch I would love to see this initiative happen outside of fediforum where there is no hurdle of needing to pay money to participate. this is also an issue I have but quite a bit of time into researching over the years and I would love to participate in these discussions! maybe we can find time zone that would work well for @hongminhee too

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                @liaizon @Edent @north @Profpatsch @hongminhee I am happy to discuss #GloballyInclusiveFediverse at some other time and venue. #FediForum is just a useful forcing function for me. As a start, is there a keyword and hashtag we can agree on to make this topic more discoverable? I obviously like #GloballyInclusive but maybe another word is in use already.

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                • liaizon@social.wake.stundefined liaizon@social.wake.st

                  @Edent @jdlh @north @Profpatsch I would love to see this initiative happen outside of fediforum where there is no hurdle of needing to pay money to participate. this is also an issue I have but quite a bit of time into researching over the years and I would love to participate in these discussions! maybe we can find time zone that would work well for @hongminhee too

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                  @liaizon
                  > this is also an issue I have put quite a bit of time into researching over the years….
                  Great to hear! I would love to read some of what you have found out. Could you send some links please?

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                  • jdlh@mstdn.caundefined jdlh@mstdn.ca

                    @liaizon @Edent @north @Profpatsch @hongminhee I am happy to discuss #GloballyInclusiveFediverse at some other time and venue. #FediForum is just a useful forcing function for me. As a start, is there a keyword and hashtag we can agree on to make this topic more discoverable? I obviously like #GloballyInclusive but maybe another word is in use already.

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                    @jdlh @liaizon @Edent @Profpatsch @hongminhee Well, I think that depends on the goal(s). For me, personally, it's pretty much just Unicode / IDNs. I won't even try to speak for anybody else.

                    As for #GloballyInclusive, I feel like that would go well beyond technical solutions and quickly into #politics and other #inclusiveness topics, which I'm sure isn't the goal here (not that they aren't very important goals otherwise).

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                      @liaizon @Edent @north @Profpatsch @hongminhee I am happy to discuss #GloballyInclusiveFediverse at some other time and venue. #FediForum is just a useful forcing function for me. As a start, is there a keyword and hashtag we can agree on to make this topic more discoverable? I obviously like #GloballyInclusive but maybe another word is in use already.

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                      @jdlh@mstdn.ca If you'd also like to discuss #GloballyInclusiveFediverse with the fediverse community in East Asia, and you can make it to Taiwan this summer, how about giving a talk at the Fediverse & Social Web track at COSCUP 2026? Just like FOSDEM, @COSCUP@floss.social is free to attend.

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                      • north@xn--8r9a.comundefined north@xn--8r9a.com

                        @Edent @jdlh @Profpatsch @hongminhee My thoughts mirror @liaizon exactly, I would love to see something set up at a time and place that works for everybody.

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                        @north @Edent @Profpatsch @hongminhee @liaizon re "a time… that works for everybody", I am in UTC-7 time zone. If I read rightly, this group already includes people in UTC+1 and UTC+9. That means probably no time will be waking hours for everybody. It is hard being #GloballyInclusive ! :-) But we do have access to asynchronous collaboration tools.

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                          @hongminhee @liaizon @Edent @north @Profpatsch @COSCUP great idea! The COSCUP 2026 folks have more to gain from a #GloballyInclusiveFediverse than do North Americans. Down side for me personally: I don't travel much these days. But nothing is impossible. #i18n #GloballyInclusive #fediverse #Multilingual

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                            @jdlh @liaizon @Edent @Profpatsch @hongminhee Well, I think that depends on the goal(s). For me, personally, it's pretty much just Unicode / IDNs. I won't even try to speak for anybody else.

                            As for #GloballyInclusive, I feel like that would go well beyond technical solutions and quickly into #politics and other #inclusiveness topics, which I'm sure isn't the goal here (not that they aren't very important goals otherwise).

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                            @north @jdlh @liaizon @Profpatsch @hongminhee

                            Yes, likewise. For me it's "UTF-8 everywhere or GTFO".
                            We can't continue with design assumptions from the 1970s about what "acceptable" characters are in text.
                            Will it increase inclusivity? I don't know. I hope so.
                            Will there be security issues? I doubt it will be worse than it is now.
                            Will it surface some bugs? I think so. And that's a good thing.

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                              @north @jdlh @liaizon @Profpatsch @hongminhee

                              Yes, likewise. For me it's "UTF-8 everywhere or GTFO".
                              We can't continue with design assumptions from the 1970s about what "acceptable" characters are in text.
                              Will it increase inclusivity? I don't know. I hope so.
                              Will there be security issues? I doubt it will be worse than it is now.
                              Will it surface some bugs? I think so. And that's a good thing.

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                              @Edent @jdlh @liaizon @Profpatsch @hongminhee Definitely bugs. Still outstanding: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/32333

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                                @Edent @jdlh @liaizon @Profpatsch @hongminhee Definitely bugs. Still outstanding: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/32333

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                                @north FWIW, all the links are clickable for me. Is fosstodon not using stock Mastodon?

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                                • neatnit@fosstodon.orgundefined neatnit@fosstodon.org

                                  @north FWIW, all the links are clickable for me. Is fosstodon not using stock Mastodon?

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                                  @neatnit No, what's cool is that if *I* link them, it works everywhere. You won't be able to though. Edit: In any useful fashion.

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