@mattblaze Woah, I have not looked at Leica for over a decade now and like I said Woah (juct checked B&H). I did my diligence when I decided to get serious with my shooting. I stuck with Nikon as at the time I could not afford it and the lack of a super zoom which suited what I tend to shoot I mean pro level Nikon gear is spendy but yikes, 2-3 times that. That being said they are fun to shoot, but I agree with you on the form factor. My hands are fairly big and like the sony's I always felt like I was gonna drop it. The Nikons I have owned D3100, D7500, D850, and now the Z9 fit perfectly in my hands