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@emilianosandri @jamesb192 @sawaba @pluralistic @iFixit That and the fact that even with wlroots you have to crank out boilerplate code to support extensions to get basic functionality are ruining it. Then you have forced vsync that's causing issues as well as the higher memory footprint and having to give it some GPU resources. If you use any X11 software within wayland, you'll have a spare X11 server running in the background. Gamescope? Another one gets added into the mix.

@jamesb192 @emilianosandri @sawaba @pluralistic @iFixit wayland realistically needs a punchole like gamescope to be realistically usable. I'd call it a downgrade myself, but I decided to move over just to avoid the pains of dealing with an unsupported platform even if X11 is superior.

@emilianosandri You'd be stuck with slots that require low clocks to maintain signal integrity. My point is that this is specific to DDR5 and the reality of it as someone who's used it for years at this point and ran into nightmares related to it. The downside with laptops is that you basically have to fork out money up front and the vendor charges you for RAM, and that the lower configurations become worthless. I'm assuming that trying to upgrade those would be pretty obnoxious with having to source ram, do BGA soldering and then figure out the SPD part..

@emilianosandri again, this is within the context of laptops, and memory bandwidth is crucial for things as common as integrated graphics.

@sawaba @pluralistic @iFixit soldered RAM has upsides like better bandwidth, especially in the DDR5 era. I'm so glad I bought a maxed out T14s gen 6 AMD right before the shortages started. I was intentionally avoiding slotted RAM in my upgrade because I'd rather have faster memory and I would've maxed it out as soon as possible anyway. SODIMMs need to go in the mobile space, they just can't get the necessary signal integrity and take up extra space, and there are alternatives out there on the horizon that solve these issues. On destkop side, DDR5 has been a nightmare to deal with and it took years for CPU vendors to write proper code to train and handle RAM that doesn't cause multi minute training times at random and even a shot at faster speeds.