@julian how is your experience with soft deletes and mastodon so far?

[pfefferle@mastodon.social]

@julian how is your experience with soft deletes and mastodon so far?

[julian@activitypub.space]

@pfefferle@mastodon.social Mastodon doesn't support soft deletes, so that's why both soft and hard deletes federate out a Delete.

Are you running into issues?

[pfefferle@mastodon.social]

@julian in the WordPress space, visibility and post-states might change quite often in the publish process. so I thought a soft-delete might be nice to map a "from published back to draft" use case. but mastodon does not respect the update when the post will be republished.

how do you handle that atm. or do you simply live with it!?

[julian@fietkau.social]

@pfefferle @julian@activitypub.space FWIW, the way I handle this in @encyclia is to edit the post content to something to the effect of “This content is no longer available” instead of actually deleting the object. Mastodon (and other) servers may let people see what used to be there if they dig into the version history, but for the type of content Encyclia touches, this is generally not much of a problem.

But if you want to push for better `Undo(Delete)` support in the ecosystem, you have my axe! 🪓

[pfefferle@mastodon.social]

@julian@fietkau.social @julian@activitypub.space @encyclia that is what is the plugin is currently doing, but this is something that confuses users a lot!

[julian@activitypub.space]

@pfefferle@mastodon.social instead of an Undo(Delete), can you send an Update(Note) instead?

Perhaps that will trigger the tombstone to be... exhumed :skull:

Otherwise let's bring it up with the Mastodon team for better support 👍

cc @julian@fietkau.social

[julian@activitypub.space]

@pfefferle@mastodon.social as for your use case, it seems like I am missing direction for Undeleting! Let's see what the Mastodon team says...

[pfefferle@mastodon.social]

@julian@activitypub.space @julian@fietkau.social I do send an update!

[julian@activitypub.space]

@pfefferle@mastodon.social okay, so good and bad news:

1. Mastodon has no current capability to undelete a status (it assumed perma deletion and ignores future activities to protect from replay attacks)
2. @claire@social.sitedethib.com noted that the Mastodon team would be interested in updating this behaviour as there is desire to undo moderation actions
3. She has signalled intent that Update(Note) is preferred
4. We need to open an issue on the Mastodon issue tracker

cc @julian@fietkau.social

[pfefferle@mastodon.social]

@julian@activitypub.space @Claire @julian@fietkau.social you did the last issue, so I think it's my turn now 😊

I will file an issue! thanks as always!!!