This is from the JSON-LD spec.
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This is from the JSON-LD spec.
ActivityPub / ActivityStream are based on JSON-LD.
I think it was a very bad idea for JSON-LD to define "number" this way!
It makes it so numbers with fractional values are inexact & lossy.
This include values that are common for money.
For example, neither 0.10 and 0.20 can be represented exactly. So, 0.10 + 0.20 does NOT equal 0.30!
It should have used FIXED-point numbers rather than FLOATING-point.
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This is from the JSON-LD spec.
ActivityPub / ActivityStream are based on JSON-LD.
I think it was a very bad idea for JSON-LD to define "number" this way!
It makes it so numbers with fractional values are inexact & lossy.
This include values that are common for money.
For example, neither 0.10 and 0.20 can be represented exactly. So, 0.10 + 0.20 does NOT equal 0.30!
It should have used FIXED-point numbers rather than FLOATING-point.
This is likely (directly or indirectly) the fault of a single paragraph in IETF RFC-7159 / RFC-8259 (shown in the attached screen-shot).
(And note that, there is a difference between JSON and IETF JSON. JSON did not have this. IETF JSON does.)
That paragraph (in the IETF RFC) was NOT a requirement. But, others made it a requirement — including JSON-LD.
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This is likely (directly or indirectly) the fault of a single paragraph in IETF RFC-7159 / RFC-8259 (shown in the attached screen-shot).
(And note that, there is a difference between JSON and IETF JSON. JSON did not have this. IETF JSON does.)
That paragraph (in the IETF RFC) was NOT a requirement. But, others made it a requirement — including JSON-LD.
There is a larger discussion about fixed-point numbers versus floating-point numbers.
And that, ALL programming-languages should have fixed-point numbers built into them.
And that, programmers should be warned against using floating-point numbers in all but a set of very specialized situations — where inexact math is OK.
For most programmers in most situations inexact math is NOT OK. And, they should NOT use floating-point numbers.
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This is from the JSON-LD spec.
ActivityPub / ActivityStream are based on JSON-LD.
I think it was a very bad idea for JSON-LD to define "number" this way!
It makes it so numbers with fractional values are inexact & lossy.
This include values that are common for money.
For example, neither 0.10 and 0.20 can be represented exactly. So, 0.10 + 0.20 does NOT equal 0.30!
It should have used FIXED-point numbers rather than FLOATING-point.
@reiver that's a json thing, which is itself a JavaScript thing. JS doesn't have an integer type, only number, which is a double precision floating point. Json is a serialization spec for JavaScript objects, and jsonld is spec for pretending that adding one property to a json document makes it a collection of rdf triples and then getting mad about it when the rest of the world just wants things to be parseable
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@reiver that's a json thing, which is itself a JavaScript thing. JS doesn't have an integer type, only number, which is a double precision floating point. Json is a serialization spec for JavaScript objects, and jsonld is spec for pretending that adding one property to a json document makes it a collection of rdf triples and then getting mad about it when the rest of the world just wants things to be parseable
AFAIK, it is an IETF JSON thing, and wasn't part of the original (pre-IETF) JSON.
Here's the oldest version of the JSON spec I could find:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030228034147/http://www.crockford.com/JSON/index.html
It defines "number" as in the screen-shot, and doesn't say anything about floating-point numbers.
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I do agree with you that the reason IETF JSON talked about floating-point numbers is almost certainly because of JavaScript.
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This is from the JSON-LD spec.
ActivityPub / ActivityStream are based on JSON-LD.
I think it was a very bad idea for JSON-LD to define "number" this way!
It makes it so numbers with fractional values are inexact & lossy.
This include values that are common for money.
For example, neither 0.10 and 0.20 can be represented exactly. So, 0.10 + 0.20 does NOT equal 0.30!
It should have used FIXED-point numbers rather than FLOATING-point.
@reiver@mastodon.social pretty sure this kind of ambiguios why Stripe represents everything in cents, no? 😏
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Yes, very likely.
When I built the core software for a bank more than a decade ago, I did the same.
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Yes, very likely.
When I built the core software for a bank more than a decade ago, I did the same.
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There isn’t anything that says my server should return the latest known state of a post, including my interactions with it.
And sure, I can refetch any activity from the inbox via proxyUrl (except non-public), but nothing guarantees my server will add the current remote state of a post to its internal representation and return this.
So this forces a thick client situation, to have what should be fairly standard User Experience.
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Of course implementations may vary but the spec isn’t clear, so let’s improve this, yeah! https://github.com/swicg/activitypub-api/issues/52
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ActivityPub client developer experience is something like this.
Building a coherent feed with stateful objects requires comparing an Activity from the inbox, with what’s in your outbox.
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@reiver@mastodon.social pretty sure this kind of ambiguios why Stripe represents everything in cents, no? 😏
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AFAIK, it is an IETF JSON thing, and wasn't part of the original (pre-IETF) JSON.
Here's the oldest version of the JSON spec I could find:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030228034147/http://www.crockford.com/JSON/index.html
It defines "number" as in the screen-shot, and doesn't say anything about floating-point numbers.
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I do agree with you that the reason IETF JSON talked about floating-point numbers is almost certainly because of JavaScript.
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@reiver that's a json thing, which is itself a JavaScript thing. JS doesn't have an integer type, only number, which is a double precision floating point. Json is a serialization spec for JavaScript objects, and jsonld is spec for pretending that adding one property to a json document makes it a collection of rdf triples and then getting mad about it when the rest of the world just wants things to be parseable
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i should use socialhub more... i'll catchup on the dicussion, soon
