My wife picked up a zine that is advertising the fediverse.

[inpc@go.mxtthxw.art]

@internetsdairy that’s seriously cool.

[gbargoud@masto.nyc]

@xChaos @internetsdairy

Yes it was definitely on purpose and not a mistake because the font is hard to read

[internetsdairy@mastodon.art]

@xChaos @gbargoud ....thank you for pointing out the error in the alt, which I misread, because the typeface is ambiguous. I have corrected it

[internetsdairy@mastodon.art]

@xChaos @gbargoud yes, people can absolutely do what they want with art and computing etc . Ideally, information design should be different, though. I'm a designer, partly, so I pick up on something like a URL being difficult to read, it's frustrating because it's self sabotaging.

[xchaos@f.cz]

@internetsdairy well, sorry for joking about it, but the punk movement, as far as I remember, was in a way really opposite of later inclusive movements with clear political message. It was sometimes actually pretty messy and sometimes silly or stupid... it was years before organized stupidity became the signature of the populist right-wing.

Just to put the things in the context: British punks of course hated Margaret Thatcher, because, well, it was a must! But at least, she was first woman PM in history and at the same time, warning against global warming was conservative thing! it was years before conservatives decided, that it is not cool (well, literally) and the they should rather deny it. So while there could be general ecological and anti-consumerist message in original punk movement, they would talk little about climate change (because it was not yet a thing, just a theory, understood mostly by nerds, but not by everyday trendy nerds, who do some coding - but just those really nerdy nerds) and after all, if your message is "no future", then why care about future? but 80s conservatives would gladly use climate change threat to greenwash nuclear power (renewables were not a thing)... and as punk, you would be anti-nuclear, of course...

Complicated! We need them in Fediverse, anyway :-) But we now live in their no-future of 1980s, anyway...

@gbargoud

[internetsdairy@mastodon.art]

@xChaos @gbargoud it isn't and wasn't one thing, I guess. There were left and environmental politics from pretty early on, I think e.g. Crass.

[kirk@social.coop]

@internetsdairy someone read the fedizine it seems (https://anarchistnews.org/content/fedizine)

[xchaos@f.cz]

@internetsdairy and again... punk culture is anarchic and kind of self-sabotaging.

If punk aesthetics consists of teared jeans, t-shirts, stockings and so on, what do you exactly expect their visual style to look like? :-) it was partially anti-design movement.. if you don't have to professional design tools, why not try opposite and try to make it look as amateur as possible?

I am probably growing old, if I have to explain this to someone :-) When I was young, there were no "generations", like genZ, Milenials, alfa, and so on. But there were sub-cultures. Not all subcultures were real, some where quite marginal, but there were certain "main" subcultures, not entirely identical with "generations", and those subcultures were generally associated not only with music, but also with aesthetics, lifestyle, political attitudes, and so on.

So if punks were self-destructive, self-sabotaging, it is quite obvious, that their visual design would be hard or nearly impossible to read, that some invention may be required to solve the puzzles, etc. It is not bug, it is feature. It is their style. They like it this way.

Telling punks they need nice visual style would be kind of ... insulting. Like telling vegans they should eat more meat? But maybe just hilariously funny. Because they want you to be mad about their "art", of course.

@gbargoud

[natsura@catgirl.center]

@internetsdairy@mastodon.art is the fediverse becoming more mainstream? ​​

[nicole4fox@datastream.cortexvoid.net]

@internetsdairy @gbargoud i love the whole design tbh