I think one of the biggest changes in how I communicate online came after moving to Fedi.
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I think one of the biggest changes in how I communicate online came after moving to Fedi. For the most part now I am able to have serious conversations with people who share my values, without being constantly pulled into squabbles with assholes who are wasting my time.
@artemis i think once i dropped off of twitter and went to bsky i started changing my mentality about that kind of platform. though on bsky it increasingly turned into the same kind of pointless verbal combat. i've had nothing like that here, which has been great. i don't post as much, but it's still a more pleasant experience.
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@artemis This is really the difference between good and bad/no moderation. We shouldn't have to deal with bad faith engagement.
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@artemis it was striking to gradually move away from there, and then leave completely... and then interact over the next few years with people still there (or on the blue reskin, whatever).
Even in non-public spaces, the way they'd immediately leap on during a friendly conversation to try to be more righteous or have a better Take or pick some pedantic fuckin nano-hole in *conversation with their own people*
@sinvega
Yeah, I think people develop a fighting mentality & eventually make very little distinction between friend & foe. Everything feels like it could be an attack. -
@sinvega
Yeah, I think people develop a fighting mentality & eventually make very little distinction between friend & foe. Everything feels like it could be an attack.@artemis and if it's not, it's an opportunity to :|
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@artemis It has been an adjustment to not assume everything said to or near me is intended to start a debate. I never got into the arguments, but I definitely assumed the worst by the end of my time on Twitter.
@thecrushedviolet
Exactly. Even if you really want to have productive conversations & aren't looking for debate, it's an environment that ends up feeling so hostile, so it becomes hard to approach people in good faith. -
@artemis This is really the difference between good and bad/no moderation. We shouldn't have to deal with bad faith engagement.
@dalias
Yeah, the moderation experience on a good Fedi instance is wildly different from being on major social media. -
In that regard, Twitter was even more hellish than I realized. I wanted to be talking with people who are also trying to make the world a better place, but instead I was getting worn down & distracted by the people trying to make it worse.
We should never stop trying to make Fedi better & safer. It's not perfect. As usual, marginalized people have the worst experience.
So this is not to say "yay! We did it! It's perfect & never needs to change."
But the spaces that we build for ourselves can be so much better than what private enterprise has to offer. We can have fucking *conversations* here.
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We should never stop trying to make Fedi better & safer. It's not perfect. As usual, marginalized people have the worst experience.
So this is not to say "yay! We did it! It's perfect & never needs to change."
But the spaces that we build for ourselves can be so much better than what private enterprise has to offer. We can have fucking *conversations* here.
Fedi is 'a process' rather than just 'a place'. It is always changing, and as long as it continues to change for the better, I'm in.
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We should never stop trying to make Fedi better & safer. It's not perfect. As usual, marginalized people have the worst experience.
So this is not to say "yay! We did it! It's perfect & never needs to change."
But the spaces that we build for ourselves can be so much better than what private enterprise has to offer. We can have fucking *conversations* here.
@artemis I've seen more people genuinely apologise for a misunderstanding on here and then make up and move on than I have in all my time on algorithmic social media put together, where the incentive is to instead dunk on each other in an ever escalating argument for the clicks of spectators
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We should never stop trying to make Fedi better & safer. It's not perfect. As usual, marginalized people have the worst experience.
So this is not to say "yay! We did it! It's perfect & never needs to change."
But the spaces that we build for ourselves can be so much better than what private enterprise has to offer. We can have fucking *conversations* here.
And frankly, it's been slow, but I have seen a lot of people—including instance admins—responding to the suggestions & critiques of marginalized people.
It's not everyone & it's not enough, but it does fucking happen here. The hard conversations happen & at least *some* people try to make this better.
One thing I love about Fedi is that it *can become better.*
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Fedi is 'a process' rather than just 'a place'. It is always changing, and as long as it continues to change for the better, I'm in.
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And frankly, it's been slow, but I have seen a lot of people—including instance admins—responding to the suggestions & critiques of marginalized people.
It's not everyone & it's not enough, but it does fucking happen here. The hard conversations happen & at least *some* people try to make this better.
One thing I love about Fedi is that it *can become better.*
Also, if you are having a lot of interactions with people acting in bad faith or harassing you, it is worth considering moving to an instance with stricter moderation or that blocks or restricts more problem instances.
Dicecamp has been great for me, but there are plenty of great ones out there.
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@artemis I've seen more people genuinely apologise for a misunderstanding on here and then make up and move on than I have in all my time on algorithmic social media put together, where the incentive is to instead dunk on each other in an ever escalating argument for the clicks of spectators
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Also, if you are having a lot of interactions with people acting in bad faith or harassing you, it is worth considering moving to an instance with stricter moderation or that blocks or restricts more problem instances.
Dicecamp has been great for me, but there are plenty of great ones out there.
I especially recommend this if you're on mastodon social. I'm really glad you signed up & joined Fedi, but you may be able to find an even better corner to call your own (but do what you want—the point is it's your choice).
"Just move instances" is not a solution to systemic problems, but if you think you could personally have a better experience, it's a thing you can try.
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I especially recommend this if you're on mastodon social. I'm really glad you signed up & joined Fedi, but you may be able to find an even better corner to call your own (but do what you want—the point is it's your choice).
"Just move instances" is not a solution to systemic problems, but if you think you could personally have a better experience, it's a thing you can try.
@artemis i agree, mastodon.social is too big, they attract too many trolls.
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And frankly, it's been slow, but I have seen a lot of people—including instance admins—responding to the suggestions & critiques of marginalized people.
It's not everyone & it's not enough, but it does fucking happen here. The hard conversations happen & at least *some* people try to make this better.
One thing I love about Fedi is that it *can become better.*
@artemis not my anxious ass going "Is today the day I finally send a small note to a popular person on a popular-but-problematic instance that their instance is problematic and they should consider moving off it because it'll likely only get worse and has already responded badly to criticism... Or am I just seeking the dopamine from a chaotic low-stakes online interaction. Again."
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@artemis not my anxious ass going "Is today the day I finally send a small note to a popular person on a popular-but-problematic instance that their instance is problematic and they should consider moving off it because it'll likely only get worse and has already responded badly to criticism... Or am I just seeking the dopamine from a chaotic low-stakes online interaction. Again."
@artemis (no it's not you/re instance)
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@artemis I've seen more people genuinely apologise for a misunderstanding on here and then make up and move on than I have in all my time on algorithmic social media put together, where the incentive is to instead dunk on each other in an ever escalating argument for the clicks of spectators
Exactly. And the thing is, when you see other people responding in that way—asking for clarification instead of assuming the worst & apologizing when called out—it feels safer to do that yourself. I've become a lot better at just not responding with the first emotional thing that pops into my head & actually thinking "what would it look like to just talk to this person in a mutually respectful way?"
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@artemis I've seen more people genuinely apologise for a misunderstanding on here and then make up and move on than I have in all my time on algorithmic social media put together, where the incentive is to instead dunk on each other in an ever escalating argument for the clicks of spectators
@afewbugs @artemis I semi-frequently give random internet strangers here a “like” when I see them apologize or course-correct, just to let them know that a random internet stranger approves of their ability to apologize or recognize that there’s a misunderstanding and maybe they’re at fault or can do better.