Spoke to my friend who lives near St. Cloud, MN yesterday.

[lexyeen@plush.city]

@artemis If you'll pardon a quote from the /antagonist/ of A Bug's Life, speaking to his underlings, as emphasis for your point...

"You let one ant stand up to us, then they ALL might stand up. Those 'puny little ants' outnumber us a hundred to one, and if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life!"

[artemis@dice.camp]

@LexYeen
Fantastic! Exactly.

[cedartea@social.coop]

@artemis There's a good bit in the bread book where he talks about how the Paris Commune failed because the so-called revolutionaries were making grand speeches on liberty while the people holding the barricades went unfed. The grand revolutionaries were notably all men and they neglected the care work necessary to actually sustain their movement. Feeding people was just an invisible thing that happened, not a thing "they" were supposed to do. Not "revolutionary".

[springdiesel@spore.social]

@artemis

For every Luke Skywalker, how many other folks are carrying supplies and rendering aid. I don't have to be the one in the X-wing to be helpful.

[lexyeen@plush.city]

@springdiesel @artemis Yup. Luke Skywalker wouldn't have been able to make that shot in the first place if the X-wing he was flying wasn't loaded, fueled, and in good repair, *or* if the events shown in Andor and Rogue One hadn't happened to set his sunbaked ass up for the win over Yavin.

Lots of wannabe/internet fighter jocks forget that they aren't getting off the ground without their direct support crews and the infrastructure behind them.

(PS: I'm not just talking about aircraft here.)

[springdiesel@spore.social]

@LexYeen @artemis

For real life. And every member of a support crew themselves needs food, lodging, safety for their family. There is plenty of good work to do that isn't being the hero.

Edit: yeah I guess that's "infrastructure behind them". I'm echoing. 😁

[lykso@tiny.tilde.website]

@LexYeen @springdiesel @artemis "An army marches on its stomach."

[flesh@transfem.social]

@springdiesel@spore.social @artemis@dice.camp Additional point: Luke Skywalker is a fictional character that is based both on the ideas of resistance and revolution as well as the tropes of drama and the underlying biases of the writers, including the Great Man myth.

You're not wrong for making the comparison or anything, you are making a good point, just worth also keeping in mind how the stories of great heroes we're often told are stories shaped by those telling them and the society around them. This focus on singular Great Men being one of the many ways that manifests.

[flesh@transfem.social]

@lykso@tiny.tilde.website @LexYeen@plush.city @springdiesel@spore.social @artemis@dice.camp You know what wins wars, Comrade General? Logistics!

[artemis@dice.camp]

@flesh @springdiesel
This is why I *loved* Andor. It's a much clearer image of resistance & solidarity. Like, it makes Star Wars *make sense*.

[lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@artemis that argument of hers is emotional manipulation.

[lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@artemis but also, i think to be a truly new kind of experience, some kind of street war is not going to cut it. we've all been fans of martial arts as kids, specifically ninjas. i don't think that's a coincidence. it's going to be a very quiet but effective resistance, even if it's not about literally swinging katanas.

[lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@artemis no idea if this helps but i'm getting this intuition that our war spirit animal will be the turtle rather than the hare (from aesop's fables).

hares have to run from A to B to win. turtles are already there. sometimes they live as mutants in sewers, and like pizza. that's all i have.

[dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.de]

@springdiesel @LexYeen @artemis It highlights the principle pretty well that even in a fictional Great Men universe like Star Wars, you can't really escape having a support crew.

[hazelnot@sunbeam.city]

@CedarTea @artemis oh huh, I always thought the Paris Commune was just destroyed by the French army through sheer firepower

[cedartea@social.coop]

@hazelnot That was a big part of it too, for sure. But the ability to rebuff that firepower is in part dependent on the behaviour of the Communards.

@artemis