The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird
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@futurebird the answer probably depends on the setting of the freezer knob, because that is classic UI design.
@futurebird *for ancient UI design nerds, yes, this is a reference to a refrigerator knob issue described in Normans _The Design of Everyday Things_ , in which it turned out the refrigerator temp control knob was dependent on the setting of the freezer knob control in the attached freezer, which Norman presented as a design which seemed reasonable to an engineer, but produced dreadfully confusing behavior.
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@futurebird
It makes me feel sad and arsoney."Let's maximize the temperature minimization."
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird cursed, reminds me of @scottjenson toaster settings illustration problem
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird Interesting example of how people interpret stuff... I feel like they should have left the words off, the numbers were clear until the words unnecessarily complicated it.
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird I have no idea, so would try setting it to 5 and hoping for the best.
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird The proper temperature setting of a refrigerator is 5 degrees C. "Temperature Control" clearly determines how precisely this value is kept, the stiffness of the thermostat. The long-term mean temperature is not affected by the knob, just how much it wiggles around it.
I'll let myself out
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird I am uncommonly bad at this sort of thing. Is "turn the thermostat up" hotter or colder? And that's a situation where you just have to dial in how many degrees you want it to be
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@futurebird this is a good poll.
It's like the "Define hot" meme.
Just yesterday I was complaining because the wire speed knob of my MIG welder doesn't express meters/second (but even versts/lunar month would be fine, I'm not so picky!) but just my password (how they know it? 1-2-3-4-5!).
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
My current fridge shows the target temp. My old fridge had a label on the temp control that read "5" is coldest.
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird My rationale: it's a machine that produces cold... if you want more cold, you have to make the machine work harder, therefore you turn it "up". i.e: 10 is colder than 1.
It's a bit dumb, and certainly open to misinterpretation. I posit that a dial with temperatures would be more sensible, and has probably been within our technical grasp for a while (pretty sure it's on more expensive fridges!).
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird it's the speed of the compressor. The higher the faster it cools and thus the colder it gets.
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@futurebird My rationale: it's a machine that produces cold... if you want more cold, you have to make the machine work harder, therefore you turn it "up". i.e: 10 is colder than 1.
It's a bit dumb, and certainly open to misinterpretation. I posit that a dial with temperatures would be more sensible, and has probably been within our technical grasp for a while (pretty sure it's on more expensive fridges!).
@attie @futurebird my rationale (and conclusion) too
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird my Subaru and Toyota’s wiper indicators are opposite. One is higher speed, one is larger duration. What a silly thing to never standardize.
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird does the manual say anything?
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird This is possibly the best use of Mastodon poll I’ve ever seen. I voted, but with little confidence. And I own a refrigerator, too. I hope you’ll post the "correct" answer afterward.
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The temp setting in a kitchen refrigerator is a knob with numbers 1 -10
It is labeled "Temperature Control"
Next to 1 it says "min"
Next to 10 it says "max"Which setting will make it the coldest?
@futurebird That's a big pet peeve of mine!
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@futurebird I am uncommonly bad at this sort of thing. Is "turn the thermostat up" hotter or colder? And that's a situation where you just have to dial in how many degrees you want it to be
On the heating => hotter. On the fridge => colder. Both have thermostats.
(At least this is what I think ...)
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@futurebird I have no idea, so would try setting it to 5 and hoping for the best.
@Dewines @futurebird This is the only correct answer and the reason every fridge I’ve ever seen has been at “5”.
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@futurebird The proper temperature setting of a refrigerator is 5 degrees C. "Temperature Control" clearly determines how precisely this value is kept, the stiffness of the thermostat. The long-term mean temperature is not affected by the knob, just how much it wiggles around it.
I'll let myself out
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Yes. Why not introduce another wrinkle.
The hobbyist sophists' society is just around the corner.
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@Shunra @cstross @Gargron
My go-to example is the Esperanto translation of Alice Through The Looking Glass published by Evertype, which has 5 different translations of "Jabberwocky", each of which is absolutely "correct" and each of which is totally different from each other. Even the names of the poem differ.
In each case one can see the decisions the translator made balancing meter, rhyme, meaning, implications & nuance of the text, based on what it meant to them; how can a computer do that?
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Well said. 👍
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@Gargron and worth repeating the quality directly depends on the quality of actual human translated text corpus.
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@Gargron
And it's not just expressions and turns of phrase, which are unique not only to each language but easily to each region.It's words. There is often no exact match. Many words in one language are not a precise correspondence to those in another.
So an elegant turn of phrase in one becomes a wordy explanation in the other. Or a misinterpretation.
Only someone fluent in both languages can convey the true meaning accurately and eloquently.
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