I think it’s worth remembering that the greatest capability of the US military isn’t killing people; that’s relatively easy.
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@aeva oh no I mean a trick question inasmuch as the number of "wars" pedantically is zero from the perspective of "you have to declare a war" (which is stupid in modern context, but)
but yea I understood you as meaning a less pathological sense of "war"
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@SnoopJ I'm really wracking my brains here. The only two widely televised US military "victories" I can remember since I've been old enough to pay attention to these things are GW Bush landing on an aircraft carrier in 2003, and Osama bin Laden getting shot in 2011
@SnoopJ and like it's not like I go out of my way to fill my head with government propaganda, quite the opposite really, but it's a somewhat common occurrence for people to try to convince me the necessity of war / solving problems with violence / etc when it comes up that I'm a devout pacifist, so like I feel like I would have heard of something by now and I'm really weirded out that I can't think of anything
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@c0dec0dec0de @aeva only from the nation's perspective. huge W for arms industry
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@c0dec0dec0de @aeva only from the nation's perspective. huge W for arms industry
@SnoopJ @c0dec0dec0de personally I was cheering for drugs all along
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@SnoopJ and like it's not like I go out of my way to fill my head with government propaganda, quite the opposite really, but it's a somewhat common occurrence for people to try to convince me the necessity of war / solving problems with violence / etc when it comes up that I'm a devout pacifist, so like I feel like I would have heard of something by now and I'm really weirded out that I can't think of anything
@aeva you might say that the contradictions are heightening
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@SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place I mean, if I had to pick a winner of all the wars and and military conflicts I've seen play out in my lifetime that the US was involved in, I would start a list that begins with "Halliburton".
Cause I think that's it. If the entire history of European and US meddling in the middle east and other places hadn't already convinced one that 'violence is a great way to shuffle the pieces on the board and that's it', well, the post 9/11 history of Iraq and Afghanistan...
While I am Very Loud and blow off steam publicly, I genuinely think no strategy out of these types of situations can be achieved without building something. And a nation state can't build a society in the way that people need; it can enforce one, or perhaps reinforce one, but, well... anyway. People have to build it. -
@SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place I mean, if I had to pick a winner of all the wars and and military conflicts I've seen play out in my lifetime that the US was involved in, I would start a list that begins with "Halliburton".
Cause I think that's it. If the entire history of European and US meddling in the middle east and other places hadn't already convinced one that 'violence is a great way to shuffle the pieces on the board and that's it', well, the post 9/11 history of Iraq and Afghanistan...
While I am Very Loud and blow off steam publicly, I genuinely think no strategy out of these types of situations can be achieved without building something. And a nation state can't build a society in the way that people need; it can enforce one, or perhaps reinforce one, but, well... anyway. People have to build it. -
I wonder what the USA's win/loss ratio is since the cold war, because I'm under the impression it's not great. Or at least, I just figure if we actually won any wars in the last few decades surely I would have heard about it. I say this without any sarcasm though: the 24 hour burger king deployment thing does make me feel irrationally proud of my country.
@aeva the US has been pretty good at the war part of war and godawful at the nation building part after from what I've seen of recent history.
Desert Storm 1 and the war(s) in the Balkans went about as well as can be expected for the areas from what I can tell. Iraq 2 became a disaster pretty much immediately after the us "won" and drove Saddam's government from power. It's pretty clear that the powers that be were completely blinded by ideology and naked greed.
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@aeva the US has been pretty good at the war part of war and godawful at the nation building part after from what I've seen of recent history.
Desert Storm 1 and the war(s) in the Balkans went about as well as can be expected for the areas from what I can tell. Iraq 2 became a disaster pretty much immediately after the us "won" and drove Saddam's government from power. It's pretty clear that the powers that be were completely blinded by ideology and naked greed.
@beeoproblem oh right I forgot about saddam, hahahaha wow ok that meets the criteria, thank you
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@aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io ah, yeah, no, you're right, sorry. I knew that wasn't what you're asking (re: Halliburton)... my actual answer to your question was there (I think, or at least, I tried to, anyway), which was "no, none of them".
I get that "victory" is a subjective thing but I'm pretty sure I'd say basically all of the military actions the US has taken (that I can think of) have been failures, and usually not because of unit strength or combat tactics but because of completely misguided reasoning and long term planning. Even Bin Laden: yeah, he's dead. And.. what did that actually accomplish? etc, etc. I'm not crying any tears over him or anything, but... well, he wasn't exactly in power or capable of much by that point.
I think a lot of things are likely to involve, or end in, violence, but I am also highly suspicious that it is capable of achieving "victory" except in very specific circumstances. This probably starts touching on "just war" theory and all that, now that I think about it. -
@aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io ah, yeah, no, you're right, sorry. I knew that wasn't what you're asking (re: Halliburton)... my actual answer to your question was there (I think, or at least, I tried to, anyway), which was "no, none of them".
I get that "victory" is a subjective thing but I'm pretty sure I'd say basically all of the military actions the US has taken (that I can think of) have been failures, and usually not because of unit strength or combat tactics but because of completely misguided reasoning and long term planning. Even Bin Laden: yeah, he's dead. And.. what did that actually accomplish? etc, etc. I'm not crying any tears over him or anything, but... well, he wasn't exactly in power or capable of much by that point.
I think a lot of things are likely to involve, or end in, violence, but I am also highly suspicious that it is capable of achieving "victory" except in very specific circumstances. This probably starts touching on "just war" theory and all that, now that I think about it.@SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place (which is, you know... I feel like I am agreeing 100% with all your positions and morals here, if I'm not mistaken?)
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@bbacc mi fa ridere ogni volta, come la prima volta :-)
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La UE sta per svuotare di significato il consenso sui cookies. L'analisichiarissima di @lastknight
Addio ai fastidiosi popup? Sì, ma il rischio è perdere davvero il controllo sui tuoi dati: il consenso diventa un click nascosto nelle impostazioni, e il tracciamento dei big del web vola. Secondo la Commissione Europea, questa mossa dovrebbe alleggerire del 25% il peso normativo, ma il consenso informato rischia di diventare solo una formalità.
Se passa, potresti non dover più cliccare niente… ma tutto quello che viene tracciato su di te finirà direttamente nei data center delle Big Tech, pronto per essere venduto e sfruttato senza il tuo reale permesso.
Vale davvero la pena scambiare meno fastidi per meno libertà digitale? Sei pro semplificazione o pro trasparenza?
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@evan @JessTheUnstill @mpjgregoire
Legitimacy in the plain English sense of the word, something like "morally valid", is something that is earned in the eyes of every individual, not claimed by force.Legitimacy in the sense of according to the law as defined by those who would execute it, well that is taken.
Don't mistake the latter for the former. Don't mistake law for justice.
I'm a fan of the notion that the purpose of a system is what it does.
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@quinta era ora. Per il resto, mi piacerebbe che si portasse avanti questo progetto (lascia perdere il titolo, che non ho scritto io e che non ha nessun senso 🤣)
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@JessTheUnstill @mpjgregoire so, the claim to legitimacy is just having enough firepower to enforce tax collection? That seems pretty Hobbesian.
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@aud @SnoopJ I'm personally of the mind that war is the failure case of civilization, and a lot of things have to go wrong for it to happen. Violent conflict never starts with ", and now there is war". Wars are something we should collectively and universally be ashamed of.
