Okay, now #Proton is out.
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@gedvondur @Tutanota I've been on the fence the last 24hrs about it. It's not a clear Google-level evil action, but the tension I'm seeing in how they're handling it in public and the difference in priorities of the board & CEO leave me in a place of uncertainty about their long term values. I'm not in a threat vector to be at risk, but I do have a choice in where I throw my money. The Tuta crew have been much more clear and consistent about their values, so it feels like the right move for me at this point.
@tomasino @gedvondur @Tutanota TBF that could just be down to a more skillful PR staff.
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@andrew @tomasino @gedvondur just the amount of unecrypted emails that is leaving proton's servers while the users think otherwise because of proton's pr communication, is *staggering*
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@andrew @tomasino @gedvondur it's good for *you* that *you* did not misunderstand their claims, but i'd say they were purposefully designed to be misunderstood --- and actually were, too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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@gedvondur I guess so. I don’t see how a company can legally circumvent a court ruling.
@tomasino @Tutanota@alelab @gedvondur @tomasino @Tutanota The irony seems to be that using the free account provides more protection.
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@realgnomidad @tomasino In case you'd like some more info, here's a guide we have on Tuta for small businesses: https://tuta.com/blog/small-business-email-address
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@gedvondur @oleksify @tomasino @Tutanota To be fair, he didn’t endorse Trump, he commented on the nomination of Gail Slater for the DoJ antitrust division. I don’t know enough about Slater but from a cursory look it doesn’t seem like a controversial nomination, so I think some context around what actually was said may be important here (that said, I fully endorse Tuta! I only wish they had a VPN and Authenticator app too!)
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@gedvondur @Tutanota I've been on the fence the last 24hrs about it. It's not a clear Google-level evil action, but the tension I'm seeing in how they're handling it in public and the difference in priorities of the board & CEO leave me in a place of uncertainty about their long term values. I'm not in a threat vector to be at risk, but I do have a choice in where I throw my money. The Tuta crew have been much more clear and consistent about their values, so it feels like the right move for me at this point.
@tomasino @gedvondur @Tutanota oh my god they complied with a legal order from the Swiss court. Tuta would have done the same. Go read the threat model https://proton.me/blog/protonmail-threat-model
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@tomasino @Tutanota Well done. Proton is complete garbage in my opinion, and I feel they can't be trusted with your personal data. I was using their VPN for a while and out of nowhere, I started getting very specific targeted ads. I can't prove it, but I think the VPN client logs and sends your browing history to all sort of third parties.
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@evan I'm not warping back to Xarkclanx IV, even if The Beatles are playing a reunion show there. It's just not worth dealing with the decade of spontaneous liquefaction after.
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@evan just today I flew x-country and part of this trip is a concert Friday night :)
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@jamesmarshall wow!
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@evan not for a whole season or anything. We did road trip from Houston to Colorado once to see 3 shows at Red Rocks and 2 at Telluride, all quite spectacular. Usually I would just fly from Houston to California for a run of 3-4 shows.
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@evan In typical Canadian style, I measure distance in hours. Depending on how much I like the artist, 3 to 6 hours. :D
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@jamesmarshall That's cool! Did you ever go fully "on tour"?
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@jimi OK but traveling farther usually costs more money
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@evan I once traveled from California to London to see Kate Bush. It was so worth it! I also used to travel within the US to see the Dead, and more recently have traveled to New Orleans or LA to see shows by favorite musicians. If it's an interesting place, you can always make a fun trip out of it.
