You know us: at Dyne, we've never been the type to spy on our own people.

[dyne@toot.community]

You know us: at Dyne, we've never been the type to spy on our own people. We're a community, not a dataset. But Discord's new age verification rules force exactly that: scanning IDs at the door like we're entering a nightclub, not a conversation.

𝗛𝗲𝗿𝗲'𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴: 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗵𝗮𝘀 𝗮𝗹𝘄𝗮𝘆𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗮𝗿𝘃𝗲 𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗮 𝘀𝗮𝗳𝗲 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻. A place free from corporate espionage, from communities being treated like products, from the endless noise of platforms that see you as a user, not a human.

[dyne@toot.community]

We're here for the weird experiments, the unaligned thoughts, the conversations that don't fit anywhere else. That's what we call creativity. And creativity doesn't carry ID.

Discord keeps proving it can't be trusted with our data. Their October 2025 breach was just the latest reminder. Handing them mandatory age verification isn't protecting anyone. It's handing the keys to the
castle to people who've already lost them once.

[dyne@toot.community]

So we're leaving. Not in anger: in hope.

Come find us on @matrix It's encrypted, decentralized, and ours. No IDs, no surveillance, just conversation.

🔗 https://socials.dyne.org/matrix

We saved you a seat: welcome!

[tomgag@infosec.exchange]

@dyne nooo, don't go to Matrix! https://gagliardoni.net/#im_battle_2025

[dyne@toot.community]

@tomgag that article seems pretty favorable to matrix. Either way, we make an effort to bridge channels to several different platforms when possible. Discord will no longer be one of them though.

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@dyne #Matrix needs significant #moderation and #accessibility tools to be an effective community platform. And I say this as an instance owner.

[dyne@toot.community]

@reflex agreed! all platforms need significant moderation and accessibility to be effective community tools!

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@dyne What bothers me is that it's way, way behind Discord. Obviously like everyone else I want off the platform, but the alternatives all have significant drawbacks. Lack of basic features like Oauth or unifiedpush, apps that only connect to the main instance, obvious AI spaghetti code on the github, etc etc.

I'd like Matrix to be it, but it needs significant targeted investment to get to parity.

[dyne@toot.community]

@reflex No software is perfect. The more people using it, the greater chances of improvement.

Care to share the alternative of your choice?

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@dyne The closest I've seen to being a drop in replacement appears to be Zulip. The drawback is that push notifications must go through their service for apps, no UnifiedPush option, and over 10 users it's paid (with a excemption for non-profits/clubs). From a privacy standpoint that's a problem imo.

Going to experiment with it a bit.

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@dyne Stoat is commonly brought up, but unfortunately it's apps can only connect to their servers, you are on your own for apps if you don't use their server.

[dyne@toot.community]

@reflex take a look at @Framasoft fork of Mattermost maybe. "Mostlymatter" it's called. Sounds like it would be something you're looking for!
https://framagit.org/framasoft/framateam/mostlymatter

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@dyne @Framasoft Thank you, I'll have a look!

[haise@tech.lgbt]

@reflex @dyne
are you talking about matrix here or not?

if so

what apps only connect to the "main" instance? this sounds like stoat not matrix

what AI spaghetti code?

matrix has supported SSO for ages and the spec itself is moving towards native OAuth. Auth methods are up to the server admins, even matrix.org has various social login options like github and google

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@haise @dyne I'm talking about the Discord alternatives, they all have a laundry list of drawbacks.

I mentioned specific issues Matrix has in my first response, the second was about all of the other alternatives.

[haise@tech.lgbt]

@reflex @dyne then please state what alternatives you are talking about :) to me it read like issues matrix has

[setto@tooting.ch]

@haise @reflex
right! maybe i misunderstand what ntfy.sh is and it's different from unifiedpush... but.. i use that for all the notifications from matrix... for the diehard discord peeps, i'd suggest trying @commetchat

@dyne

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@haise @dyne I mean Matrix has in my opinion larger issues than most of the alternatives. Community safety and accessibility are tier 1 concerns for a public server.

The others tend to have other inconveniences, as listed in mine. Some may or may not matter to people depending on their use case.

I'm not dissing on Matrix here, but it's not broadly suitable as a discord replacement for communities of significant size.

[haise@tech.lgbt]

@reflex @dyne have you not heard of draupnir and other projects to help moderate rooms on matrix? and there's policy servers now to fully block messages before users in rooms receive them

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@haise @dyne Yes, and it is woefully inadequate. Have a look at the experience #GrapheneOS had with Matrix moderation. They have listed in great detail how inadequate the tools are.

As a small instance owner I've run into similar myself, but the worst has been UI/UX/Accessibility. It is so damn easy to lose access to message history and having to explain to users repeatedly to backup their decryption keys somewhere safe is ridiculous.