@nazokiyoubinbou @Viss Exactly
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@k3ym0 yeah thats the opposite of whats happening. if they control my chromecast they control what i watch
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@Viss I identify with this but my brain instructs me to complete a task unrelated to the deadline
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@Viss s/handling of the touchpad //
FTFY
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@Viss It’s the modern equivalent of “Hey Peter, man, check out channel 9! Check out this chick!”
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@Viss @zarchasmpgmr At this point all stocks are meme stocks. There's no rational decision making being made.
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@Viss I guess an alternate reading of the data is it only takes 3% to make a space extremely toxic :/
@aburka @Viss This is kind of a well-known thing among experienced community moderators already, though - it's always just a handful of people inciting shit and riling up everyone else. Even in the context of school bullying, it's the same thing - a few bullies and a pile of bystanders.
Where it often goes wrong in practice is that people are afraid to moderate decisively against such people because those people tend to be very good at walking lines, and with a prevailing ideology of "you can't ban someone unless they are clearly breaking a defined rule".... well, you can see where this is going.
Pretty much the only working defense against this sort of toxicity is moderating subjectively for community health rather than legalistically, and just not enough places are willing to do that today. -
@aburka @Viss This is kind of a well-known thing among experienced community moderators already, though - it's always just a handful of people inciting shit and riling up everyone else. Even in the context of school bullying, it's the same thing - a few bullies and a pile of bystanders.
Where it often goes wrong in practice is that people are afraid to moderate decisively against such people because those people tend to be very good at walking lines, and with a prevailing ideology of "you can't ban someone unless they are clearly breaking a defined rule".... well, you can see where this is going.
Pretty much the only working defense against this sort of toxicity is moderating subjectively for community health rather than legalistically, and just not enough places are willing to do that today. -
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@aburka @Viss This is kind of a well-known thing among experienced community moderators already, though - it's always just a handful of people inciting shit and riling up everyone else. Even in the context of school bullying, it's the same thing - a few bullies and a pile of bystanders.
Where it often goes wrong in practice is that people are afraid to moderate decisively against such people because those people tend to be very good at walking lines, and with a prevailing ideology of "you can't ban someone unless they are clearly breaking a defined rule".... well, you can see where this is going.
Pretty much the only working defense against this sort of toxicity is moderating subjectively for community health rather than legalistically, and just not enough places are willing to do that today.@etherdiver this sounds very familiar, eh?
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@ifixcoinops @joepie91 @aburka @Viss RPS policy was, I paraphrase, no warnings just ban them. checking comments and banning dickheads is a valid worktime activity
The one time I went against my better judgement and warned someone (they were making a valid criticism of the site, but channelling it into an attack on one young writer with obviously zero influence over management decisions), they kept up with the shit so it was just a waste of energy and I had to ban them anyway
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@ifixcoinops @joepie91 @aburka @Viss RPS policy was, I paraphrase, no warnings just ban them. checking comments and banning dickheads is a valid worktime activity
The one time I went against my better judgement and warned someone (they were making a valid criticism of the site, but channelling it into an attack on one young writer with obviously zero influence over management decisions), they kept up with the shit so it was just a waste of energy and I had to ban them anyway
@ifixcoinops @joepie91 @aburka @Viss also when I banned someone on another writer's article cos they were giving me the "nah this one's trying to start shit" feeling, that writer had a go at me for overdoing it. And now that commenter was kicking off ranting about how they were banned for nothing and we were awful and etc etc
So like... I was fuckin right and I'd do it again
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@ifixcoinops @joepie91 @sinvega @aburka @Viss
So much this.
I have a group of real life in-person friends. We don't have a written set of bylaws or code of conduct, and if/when someone gets obnoxious, they stop getting invited. Why would my online friend group be different? "Be cool and nice, don't cause problems" shouldn't need to be explicit.
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@ifixcoinops @joepie91 @aburka @Viss RPS policy was, I paraphrase, no warnings just ban them. checking comments and banning dickheads is a valid worktime activity
The one time I went against my better judgement and warned someone (they were making a valid criticism of the site, but channelling it into an attack on one young writer with obviously zero influence over management decisions), they kept up with the shit so it was just a waste of energy and I had to ban them anyway
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@ifixcoinops @joepie91 @aburka @Viss don't show em how you parry
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@ifixcoinops @joepie91 @sinvega @aburka @Viss
So much this.
I have a group of real life in-person friends. We don't have a written set of bylaws or code of conduct, and if/when someone gets obnoxious, they stop getting invited. Why would my online friend group be different? "Be cool and nice, don't cause problems" shouldn't need to be explicit.
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@aburka @Viss This is kind of a well-known thing among experienced community moderators already, though - it's always just a handful of people inciting shit and riling up everyone else. Even in the context of school bullying, it's the same thing - a few bullies and a pile of bystanders.
Where it often goes wrong in practice is that people are afraid to moderate decisively against such people because those people tend to be very good at walking lines, and with a prevailing ideology of "you can't ban someone unless they are clearly breaking a defined rule".... well, you can see where this is going.
Pretty much the only working defense against this sort of toxicity is moderating subjectively for community health rather than legalistically, and just not enough places are willing to do that today. -
@woe2you @aburka @Viss I do actually think there is value in having more rules than that - though their purpose would be to communicate expectations (both in terms of how to behave and what can be expected from others), rather than to be an exhaustive list of grounds for moderator action, and that should be made clear ("moderator has the last word"). That approach to rules is also how pre-internet communities have historically worked.
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@ifixcoinops @joepie91 @aburka @Viss RPS policy was, I paraphrase, no warnings just ban them. checking comments and banning dickheads is a valid worktime activity
The one time I went against my better judgement and warned someone (they were making a valid criticism of the site, but channelling it into an attack on one young writer with obviously zero influence over management decisions), they kept up with the shit so it was just a waste of energy and I had to ban them anyway
@sinvega @ifixcoinops @aburka @Viss I have actually had a fair few cases in moderation where someone did learn from a warning, or even multiple warnings, and improved for the better over time.
But crucially, if someone actively pushed back on a warning - trying to treat it as some severe punishment, questioning the moderator's legitimacy, trivializing what they did, making bigoted comments, that sort of thing - in basically 100% of cases where that happened, they ended up being banned after repeated incidents, and they never learned.
"Does someone accept direct feedback on their behaviour, even if they disagree" is, in my experience, the single most reliable indicator for whether they can participate in a community in a healthy way.
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@woe2you @aburka @Viss I do actually think there is value in having more rules than that - though their purpose would be to communicate expectations (both in terms of how to behave and what can be expected from others), rather than to be an exhaustive list of grounds for moderator action, and that should be made clear ("moderator has the last word"). That approach to rules is also how pre-internet communities have historically worked.
@joepie91 @aburka @Viss My expectation is that people don't be a dick, and if vagueness makes them err on the side of caution so much the better. I'm not there to teach them things they should have learned by the age of 6. If they grew up in the woods raised by wild animals that's tragic for them, but I see no reason why my sympathy should extend to letting it be tragic for everyone else.
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@ifixcoinops @sinvega @aburka @Viss Yeah... one of the things I learned over time, but that nobody ever accepts when I try to explain it to them, is that timed mutes/bans/etc. are just completely useless. Time passing doesn't affect the way someone engages with others, so you're just giving a second opportunity to do the same thing again.
Nowadays all of my bans are "permanent until you give me reason to believe that you've changed", and that works so, so much better. Sometimes it means unbanning someone a few days later, sometimes it means never unbanning them, and in a few cases someone has actually reached out years later reflecting on what happened and what they'd learned, and gotten unbanned that way.
And it's still painful and frustrating every time I see some community trying to implement the 'escalation ladder' of warning, short tempban, long tempban, permaban - because it's never going to work but nobody who implements this will believe you if you tell them that...
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