So the good thing about Linux distros switching to Wayland long before Wayland is remotely ready is that contact with real-world users will make the "pain points" visible so they can be fixed.

[mcc@mastodon.social]

So the good thing about Linux distros switching to Wayland long before Wayland is remotely ready is that contact with real-world users will make the "pain points" visible so they can be fixed. But the bad thing is. I do not actually believe the "pain points" will be fixed. Ever

[gsuberland@chaos.social]

@mcc I am a strong believer that this happens because peak Linux culture is where you gaslight yourself into believing it's all holy and perfect and then never report all the broken shit

[sashin@veganism.social]

@mcc what are some of the pain points?

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@mcc one thing i noticed while trying to find a solution to my most recent injury is there's been bugs open for it for *years*

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@gsuberland @mcc they get reported, they just get fixed at a glacial pace, if they gets fixed at all.

[gsuberland@chaos.social]

@aeva @mcc I'm not even sure that this is true at scale

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@sashin @mcc search my username and the string "wayland" and you will find plenty

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@sashin @mcc and also a lot of swearing

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@gsuberland @mcc the majority of my grievances with wayland have had bugs open for years and people pleading for them to be fixed

[gsuberland@chaos.social]

@aeva @mcc yeah I mean there are probably a bunch of things in Wayland that are missing and problematic for sure, based on my outsider view of it, my point is that there's also this endemic problem that leads to apathy across the board

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@gsuberland @mcc and "actually the Philosophers created a protocol for this (which nothing implements), therefore this is not a problem" is a very common reply by wayland apologists when people complain about wayland problems

[gsuberland@chaos.social]

@aeva @mcc on this side of it have no opinion because I don't use Linux at all (just FreeBSD and Windows in my world)

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@gsuberland @mcc maybe there's apathy but it's not for a lack of awareness on the part of the maintainers

[aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@gsuberland if you don't have an opinion don't express one