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w00t. by complete chance SDL has a work around for my touch X11 screen problems as of three days ago. afaik the wayland touch screen problems are insurmountable until any of the major desktop environments take it seriously, but you know what? one pathologically broken linux is better than two pathologically broken linuxes đ
finally finally finally I can start building the virtual midi controller stuff back into mollytime now
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w00t. by complete chance SDL has a work around for my touch X11 screen problems as of three days ago. afaik the wayland touch screen problems are insurmountable until any of the major desktop environments take it seriously, but you know what? one pathologically broken linux is better than two pathologically broken linuxes đ
finally finally finally I can start building the virtual midi controller stuff back into mollytime now
except I'm going to bed lol
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@aeva
You are a real trooper for delving as far into linux.txt as this@shinmera I deserve a metal
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w00t. by complete chance SDL has a work around for my touch X11 screen problems as of three days ago. afaik the wayland touch screen problems are insurmountable until any of the major desktop environments take it seriously, but you know what? one pathologically broken linux is better than two pathologically broken linuxes đ
finally finally finally I can start building the virtual midi controller stuff back into mollytime now
@aeva
You are a real trooper for delving as far into linux.txt as this -
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w00t. by complete chance SDL has a work around for my touch X11 screen problems as of three days ago. afaik the wayland touch screen problems are insurmountable until any of the major desktop environments take it seriously, but you know what? one pathologically broken linux is better than two pathologically broken linuxes đ
finally finally finally I can start building the virtual midi controller stuff back into mollytime now
@aeva well you *can* spell Wayland without "wail" but it's strongly implied
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w00t. by complete chance SDL has a work around for my touch X11 screen problems as of three days ago. afaik the wayland touch screen problems are insurmountable until any of the major desktop environments take it seriously, but you know what? one pathologically broken linux is better than two pathologically broken linuxes đ
finally finally finally I can start building the virtual midi controller stuff back into mollytime now
@aeva *desperately looking for a silver lining* .oO( at least pathological still contains the word "logical")
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@aeva *desperately looking for a silver lining* .oO( at least pathological still contains the word "logical")
@lritter it's just a protocol, which means it's *always* The Most Correct. if it can't do something basic like deliver you three or more of the ten multitouch points your screen supports that means you don't fucking deserve those touch points. no human being has ever wanted to play a chord. the automotive industry got to design the multi-touch protocol because cars and corperations are god's chosen people, and us game devs with touch screens are simply unwanted guests in their home.
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@lritter it's just a protocol, which means it's *always* The Most Correct. if it can't do something basic like deliver you three or more of the ten multitouch points your screen supports that means you don't fucking deserve those touch points. no human being has ever wanted to play a chord. the automotive industry got to design the multi-touch protocol because cars and corperations are god's chosen people, and us game devs with touch screens are simply unwanted guests in their home.
@lritter it's just a protocol, handed to us by god, and so we don't have the right to complain about it, unlike x11 which is also just a protocol. but unlike x11 if you want to fix something you get go track down every implementor and beg them to care, and they're like go file an issue on the issue tracker and you do and then it gets tagged as a duplicate for an unrelated issue that's the opposite of what you're asking for or is immediately closed by Triage Bot
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@lritter it's just a protocol, handed to us by god, and so we don't have the right to complain about it, unlike x11 which is also just a protocol. but unlike x11 if you want to fix something you get go track down every implementor and beg them to care, and they're like go file an issue on the issue tracker and you do and then it gets tagged as a duplicate for an unrelated issue that's the opposite of what you're asking for or is immediately closed by Triage Bot
@aeva sounds like you have to be inquisitive like columbo to get through. and maybe seem like you're representing a Big And Generous Client Who Must Not Be Named.
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@aeva sounds like you have to be inquisitive like columbo to get through. and maybe seem like you're representing a Big And Generous Client Who Must Not Be Named.
@aeva but no shit; i realize as a dev i would always take a ticket more seriously if the person in it spoke of "we". not so much because profit, but because it meant that multiple people had this problem and a professional need for it, which just generally elevates the project and increases its public value.
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@aeva but no shit; i realize as a dev i would always take a ticket more seriously if the person in it spoke of "we". not so much because profit, but because it meant that multiple people had this problem and a professional need for it, which just generally elevates the project and increases its public value.
@lritter to be fair this is my triage policy still https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@aeva/114612264992461462 but i'm just a wittle smol bean volunteer deweloper tho
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@lritter to be fair this is my triage policy still https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@aeva/114612264992461462 but i'm just a wittle smol bean volunteer deweloper tho
@aeva well it does help to be able to play the role convincingly that the other one wants to see. it is possible to do that only through plausible omission. any lawyer would clear this.
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@aeva well it does help to be able to play the role convincingly that the other one wants to see. it is possible to do that only through plausible omission. any lawyer would clear this.
@aeva sorry i'm trying to live through others vicariously again %)
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@aeva sorry i'm trying to live through others vicariously again %)
@lritter my plan is to just not worry about waylandgnomekde for now. the winning combination of X11 and cinnamon desktop (with the workaround coming in the next release of SDL3) is enough to run mollytime correctly now. that, and Windows 10 doesn't have this problem. i figure that gives enough options should anyone else take interest in using mollytime with a touch screen.
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@lritter my plan is to just not worry about waylandgnomekde for now. the winning combination of X11 and cinnamon desktop (with the workaround coming in the next release of SDL3) is enough to run mollytime correctly now. that, and Windows 10 doesn't have this problem. i figure that gives enough options should anyone else take interest in using mollytime with a touch screen.
@lritter and i figure in the unlikely event that using mollytime with a touch screen on linux sees enough interest that wayland's defective "multitouch" protocol / the implementations thereof becomes a problem, I can put up a sign or something that explains who to contact about getting it fixed for each wayland desktop environment that implements it badly
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@lritter and i figure in the unlikely event that using mollytime with a touch screen on linux sees enough interest that wayland's defective "multitouch" protocol / the implementations thereof becomes a problem, I can put up a sign or something that explains who to contact about getting it fixed for each wayland desktop environment that implements it badly
@lritter the one hitch I'm worried about is I'd like this to eventually work with steamdeck. proton defaults to some weird mouse emulation for touch screen events, and i haven't tested a native linux version on it yet. desktop mode is kde and probably wayland? no idea what the regular steam shell uses.
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