@Edent what's so bad about <div> ... or: Why do you want to avoid them?
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@Edent Like many imperial space operas the time setting relies on technology to colonise planetary systems beyond those we currently have.
As political constructs though I'm reminded of the Spanish colonisation of parts of America as well as English colonisation of many other nations. Colonisation and exploitation of indigenous resources isn't kind whether we see it in Dune or the Avatar setting of Pandora or in West Papua and Papua New Guinea. Or Middle Eastern nations like Palestine. Or ...
@Kay @Edent All true, but on the other hand, the Fremen are not depicted as primitive, but have a sophisticated culture and their own advanced technology which they use to wage war against the colonisers. They also tolerated House Atreides precisely because they did not displace the Fremen or interfere in their business (although the Bene Gesserit very much did). Also, Herbert sought to subvert the White Saviour myth by making Paul an anti-hero, arguably even an outright villain in the 2nd book.
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@Kay @Edent All true, but on the other hand, the Fremen are not depicted as primitive, but have a sophisticated culture and their own advanced technology which they use to wage war against the colonisers. They also tolerated House Atreides precisely because they did not displace the Fremen or interfere in their business (although the Bene Gesserit very much did). Also, Herbert sought to subvert the White Saviour myth by making Paul an anti-hero, arguably even an outright villain in the 2nd book.
@ApostateEnglishman @Edent Many indigenous people have sophisticated understandings of their world and manage natural resources without destroying worlds.
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@Edent "Dune is set in the distant future ..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel)
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@Edent it’s set around AD 14,000 or so
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@Edent
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@ApostateEnglishman @Edent Many indigenous people have sophisticated understandings of their world and manage natural resources without destroying worlds.
@Kay @Edent Oh I agree 100%! I was only pointing out that Dune doesn't bear comparison to movies such as Avatar, which are fully invested in the colonialist, White Saviour narrative that Herbert set out to deconstruct. We see Paul ruthlessly exploit the Fremen in order to avenge the death of his family, and the whole story is a dark parable about the dangers of trusting Messianic authority figures. If faithful to the book, this should become even more apparent in Villeneuve's Part 3.
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@Edent I am not deep into the lore, and have only read it once, but my interpretation of it is that it is an alternate universe rather than in this universe's timeline.
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@Eicky @jbjrkng @Edent nope, Session is not secure then it is pseudo encryptet, don't trust there lies 👇
»Don’t Use Session (Signal Fork)«
https://soatok.blog/2025/01/14/dont-use-session-signal-fork/@kubikpixel @jbjrkng @Edent thanks for the info, how about Briar?
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@kubikpixel @jbjrkng @Edent thanks for the info, how about Briar?
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@Kay @Edent Oh I agree 100%! I was only pointing out that Dune doesn't bear comparison to movies such as Avatar, which are fully invested in the colonialist, White Saviour narrative that Herbert set out to deconstruct. We see Paul ruthlessly exploit the Fremen in order to avenge the death of his family, and the whole story is a dark parable about the dangers of trusting Messianic authority figures. If faithful to the book, this should become even more apparent in Villeneuve's Part 3.
@ApostateEnglishman @Edent Having seen Avatar films 1 and 2 but not yet 3, I disagree on labelling them as colonialist, White Saviour narrative.
The invaders from Earth are definitely shown as villains, and the indigenous blue or green people of the land and water of Pandora as its protectors.
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@Edent Is this an insane plan to avoid contact with an LLM?
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@Edent Lunch!
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@Edent I read it as a teenager (back in the early 80's. I seem to remember at the time there were only three books in the series, but now there are more. I rated it then, and would consider reading it again.
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@Edent Long ago that I read it - but as every great work of SciFi his story was influenced by problems of his time and even history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel)#Origins
"Herbert hoped it would be seen as an "environmental awareness handbook" - an important topic in the 1960s (compare to Ursula K. Le Guin).
And was it free of his political ideas of his time? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Herbert#Political_views -
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Haere haumaru (travel safe)
[Edit: I think it might actually be better to day "whakahaumaru ōu haere" for "be safe in your travels") 🤔]Was lovely to meet up with you both. Feel free to let us know when you're back down this way again.
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@Edent Welcome to Melbourne!
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@Kay @Edent Oh I agree 100%! I was only pointing out that Dune doesn't bear comparison to movies such as Avatar, which are fully invested in the colonialist, White Saviour narrative that Herbert set out to deconstruct. We see Paul ruthlessly exploit the Fremen in order to avenge the death of his family, and the whole story is a dark parable about the dangers of trusting Messianic authority figures. If faithful to the book, this should become even more apparent in Villeneuve's Part 3.
@ApostateEnglishman @Edent On reflection Jake Sully could be seen as a White Saviour in the Avatar films except that he's no longer white, he's "gone native", and the Na'vi saved him more than him saving them.
White Saviour Reversed if he was a Tarot card, maybe?
The Na'vi say that every person is born twice. The second time is when you earn your place among the people, forever. 😉
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@kubikpixel @jbjrkng @Edent @briar it's nice to hear that, true that not many people know this
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@Edent nice to see indeed! Not so nice that they are on a separate 'page' though 😬
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@LaVi
Hai ragione, ma devo dire che nonostante la retorica di alcuni impresentabili personaggi, mediamente vedo che il comportamento in strada sta migliorando. Purtroppo al contempo aumenta il tasso di motorizzazione ed aumentano dimensione e peso dei veicoli.Ma quel che è più importante è che ora sei a casa e puoi riposare e riprenderti!
@ciccillo @stefano_zan
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@ben several of my normie acquaintances have started newsletters, lamenting the lack of reach of Instagram et al. Added me without permission. And now they regularly share « blog posts » that always try to sell me something at the end (their services, books, seminars, etc.). Cherry on top is that if reply with a thoughtful comment about what they wrote, they rarely write back. It’s all about money money money.
Not surprisingly, none of them are on the Fediverse.
The cultural divide is so stark
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@LaVi
Uh! Da stamane! Luuuunga giornata al pronto soccorso, quindi.Se non ti conoscessi, ti suggerirei di distrarti studiando l'esperanto.
Ma conoscendoti, ti suggerirò di distrarti approfondendo la conoscenza dell'interlingua. 😉Cominciamo, come renderesti "rimuginare" in interlingua 😆.
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Per uno sguardo un mondo;
Per un sorriso un cielo;
per un bacio… https://cctm.website/gustavo-adolfo-becquer-spagna/Gustavo Adolfo Bécquer
da Rime, 1868
#gustavoadolfobecquer #bacio #poesia #cctmwebsite #anoipiaceleggere #leggere
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@kellyromanych ooh, the contrasts are great!
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@jwz I would be happy if they just fixed memory leak issues and be faster than chrome
