If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you.
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit@mastodon.online
I'm with you. The willingness to use demeaning terms speaks volumes about a person.
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit this is the most mastodon post ever. Lmao.
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit Are you saying slop bots are people?
Because slop bots aren't people.
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@danirabbit Are you saying slop bots are people?
Because slop bots aren't people.
@yora it’s super easy to read the whole thread
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If your response is, “LLMs aren’t people”. Yeah no shit. So why are YOU anthropomorphizing them for the specific purpose of emulating bigotry? This isn’t about the fucking LLMs. This is about your weird behavior. This is about you going out of your way to behave in a bigoted way towards a non-existent group just that you can do a bigotry and how fucking weird and gross you are for doing that
@danirabbit is this a reference to me calling out Armin on bluesky lol https://bsky.app/profile/mitsuhiko.at/post/3mgd5h7hy5c25
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If your response is, “LLMs aren’t people”. Yeah no shit. So why are YOU anthropomorphizing them for the specific purpose of emulating bigotry? This isn’t about the fucking LLMs. This is about your weird behavior. This is about you going out of your way to behave in a bigoted way towards a non-existent group just that you can do a bigotry and how fucking weird and gross you are for doing that
I’ve now blocked people who have called me “clanker” in response to this thread, which really honestly proves my point. The type of person that wants this kind of language to exist and wants to use it is not a good person
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@danirabbit is this a reference to me calling out Armin on bluesky lol https://bsky.app/profile/mitsuhiko.at/post/3mgd5h7hy5c25
@riversnow I don’t know who you are or who that is. I don’t use bluesky
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit I can't recall exactly the details but I think this was an aspect of The Animatrix back in the day wrt how humans treated the machines and how poor a reflection that was for the humans given they were just replaying slavery - this isn't me saying LLMs are conscious, but as you say it has some shared shapes
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@riversnow I don’t know who you are or who that is. I don’t use bluesky
@danirabbit I assumed we are referring to the issue with chardet, I called Armin out for using the word Clanker, he used the exact same phrase "LLMs aren't people", which is why I thought you referred to it
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I’ve now blocked people who have called me “clanker” in response to this thread, which really honestly proves my point. The type of person that wants this kind of language to exist and wants to use it is not a good person
@danirabbit I really appreciate your insights and thoughts. Feels very level-headed, which isn’t something you see too much these days.
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I’ve now blocked people who have called me “clanker” in response to this thread, which really honestly proves my point. The type of person that wants this kind of language to exist and wants to use it is not a good person
@danirabbit i would like for a robust taxonomy of words for people who are forcing llms into everything for their own personal profit & fun; i am hoping my frustration with these people and their rot of my world doesn't make me a bad person.
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@danirabbit I can't recall exactly the details but I think this was an aspect of The Animatrix back in the day wrt how humans treated the machines and how poor a reflection that was for the humans given they were just replaying slavery - this isn't me saying LLMs are conscious, but as you say it has some shared shapes
@castanea_jo yes exactly. The point to me isn’t if the machines feel bad—they don’t because they can’t. The point is what it says about the people who want to behave like this
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@danirabbit i would like for a robust taxonomy of words for people who are forcing llms into everything for their own personal profit & fun; i am hoping my frustration with these people and their rot of my world doesn't make me a bad person.
@cap_ybarra “capitalist”, “fascist”, “white supremacist”, “anti-worker”. It’s pretty easy to point at the tech bros who aspire to be slave owners without making up new fake slurs
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I’ve now blocked people who have called me “clanker” in response to this thread, which really honestly proves my point. The type of person that wants this kind of language to exist and wants to use it is not a good person
@danirabbit yeah. the Star Wars connection made me find it kind of funny early on, where the term had weird WWI inter-european slur vibes (like kraut, limey, whatever) which are a bit uncomfortable but less problematic from a power perspective (but still othering and dehumanizing so meh).
but, like, we have "slop". it's simple, it doesn't anthropromorphize the statistical extrapolation machines, and it doesn't remind people of bigotry.
makes me wonder if people still using "clanker" are just more 4chan types trying to poison the waters on purpose.
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If you use the word “clanker” to talk about generative AI, I am immediately suspicious of you. This reads to me as, guy that is so racist that he can only experience the world through the lens of bigotry. It doesn’t seem like you actually have any legitimate objections to AI, you’re just super excited you found a group (real or imagined) that it’s socially acceptable for you to be racist towards. You would say the n word if you thought it was okay. That’s what I’m hearing from you
@danirabbit yeah I really dislike genAI but inventing a pseudo-slur for it is really odd at best.
Tbh I wouldn’t have been particularly strongly against it either, but people doubling down on being allowed to use it / why it’s actually okay feels weird. Like why is it so important to defend this made-up word?
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@danirabbit yeah. the Star Wars connection made me find it kind of funny early on, where the term had weird WWI inter-european slur vibes (like kraut, limey, whatever) which are a bit uncomfortable but less problematic from a power perspective (but still othering and dehumanizing so meh).
but, like, we have "slop". it's simple, it doesn't anthropromorphize the statistical extrapolation machines, and it doesn't remind people of bigotry.
makes me wonder if people still using "clanker" are just more 4chan types trying to poison the waters on purpose.
@danirabbit my kids have a Clone Trooper toy helmet/mask that has a button to activate voice lines like, "Dang! Those Clankers have tough armor!" or "Klankers! Get 'em!"
and it's, well. weird. still don't really know how I should feel about letting them use the audio.
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@danirabbit my kids have a Clone Trooper toy helmet/mask that has a button to activate voice lines like, "Dang! Those Clankers have tough armor!" or "Klankers! Get 'em!"
and it's, well. weird. still don't really know how I should feel about letting them use the audio.
@joshg uh yeah what the fuck
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@joshg uh yeah what the fuck
@danirabbit It's kind of double-weird because Star Wars has *always* had a weird "droids aren't people, but they are, but they're acceptable targets of slavery/racism" since the very start. and it's like, uh, are you making a point with this? are you being nuanced? or are you just being weird and allowing bigotry?
the prequels had Qui-Gon being dismissive of "less intelligent" Gungans. but then they defeat the evil tyrants. the Ewoks defeat the Empire. but also they're infantilized Indigenous people.
at some point it's just easier to say "dear god this franchise is a dumpster fire, I'm only here for the lightsabers and goofy space magic"
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@danirabbit It's kind of double-weird because Star Wars has *always* had a weird "droids aren't people, but they are, but they're acceptable targets of slavery/racism" since the very start. and it's like, uh, are you making a point with this? are you being nuanced? or are you just being weird and allowing bigotry?
the prequels had Qui-Gon being dismissive of "less intelligent" Gungans. but then they defeat the evil tyrants. the Ewoks defeat the Empire. but also they're infantilized Indigenous people.
at some point it's just easier to say "dear god this franchise is a dumpster fire, I'm only here for the lightsabers and goofy space magic"
@danirabbit the real moral of the story is the only good Star Wars was Ep 8 where all the toxic fandom got pissy about a woman of color being awesome, and the angry white dude got totally owned and lost the girl
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If your response is, “LLMs aren’t people”. Yeah no shit. So why are YOU anthropomorphizing them for the specific purpose of emulating bigotry? This isn’t about the fucking LLMs. This is about your weird behavior. This is about you going out of your way to behave in a bigoted way towards a non-existent group just that you can do a bigotry and how fucking weird and gross you are for doing that
word to that, mah clankkuh
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@shafik and then I have to explain to my colleagues why gen AI is wrong in this particular instance.
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@shafik idk, I keep seeing gen AI stumble on stupidest of things, that are *just* outside of common patterns (and sounding very sure about it too).
