Today we had a fire alarm in the office.

[aadeacon@mastodon.social]

@tagir_valeev Having worked in the Chemical Industry all my life my first instinct is evacuate, carry out roll call and then establish whether or not it was a real fire. My colleagues and I were all fire and rescue trained but would only act on small fires we always called the fire service. Many of the sites I worked on had alarms that went to the local fire control and triggered a turn out, a turn out of 6 engines at one site plus a general alert to other brigades

[richlv@mastodon.social]

@majick @tagir_valeev As much as I love to talk about alert noise/fatigue, in that case other factors were contributing.
A bit of pressure from the supermarket chain, a bit of leftover mentality from the russian occupation times. Similar to the "I'm not afraid of no virus, I'm not gonna mask!" etc.

[tom_ofb@23.social]

@tagir_valeev @davidgerard 👀

[aethervision@sfba.social]

@tagir_valeev Charles Darwin has entered the chat.

[maxsz@mastodon.social]

@tagir_valeev oh, just saw this in my feed and immediately recognized the buildings, that's just around the corner were we live! Hope it wasn't serious and everybody is alright?

[mlevison@agilealliance.social]

@tagir_valeev …apparently this is the start of your next book 100 LLM mistakes and how you can’t avoid them.

Actually, I might just steal that my own having written most footnoted blog post ever

[rhew@gulp.cafe]

@tagir_valeev
Have you performed the MOTHER test and ensured its priority is employee wellbeing and not corporate?

Alien had some warnings about AI too

[tagir_valeev@mastodon.online]

@maxsz no, nothing serious!

[gerritvanaaken@typo.social]

@tagir_valeev @343max https://youtu.be/1EBfxjSFAxQ

[tagir_valeev@mastodon.online]

@aadeacon here the fire brigade is alerted automatically as well. If I understand correctly, the building owner cannot deactivate the alarm without the fire brigade.

[majick@mefi.social]

@richlv @tagir_valeev Yeah, I completely agree those factors can very much influence how bad something like that turns out to become. Rarely does someone think a thing they do routinely is actually high risk.

I'd say they fall into the category of "factors" I mentioned as root causes: cultural, management-based (I've lived that life), and so on. Fatigue's one thing, for sure, not the only thing, and sometimes it's stuff like that deprioritizing the seriousness of an alarm. A different cause of fatigue/blasé attitude/misinterpretation.

Like I said, it's almost never the dude and almost always what influenced the dude to be the last link in the chain up to a horrible tragedy.

[up8@mastodon.social]

@tagir_valeev I dunno... it is probably a false alarm 99% of the time; I was in grad student housing where it went off every night and one of the other students got in trouble because he'd made up his mind he was going to stay in bed.

false alarms numb people to real dangers and there should be heavy fines for them

[realgene@hachyderm.io]

@tagir_valeev
Next it will actually set the fire.

[konafets@norden.social]

@tagir_valeev No, not AI, but humans who integrate AI in every fucking tool.

[galamadryade@piaille.fr]

@tagir_valeev
That's insane.

The whole point of siren's test is to actually evacuate a building so they can know how quickly we did it, if we can reach the correct meeting point, etc etc.

[lispi314@udongein.xyz]

@tagir_valeev There is a reason why the rules are indeed for one to get off one's seat, grab one's coat & bag of the back, and leave.

Usually such a liar would be personally responsible, but in this case the corposcum selling access to it will have to be the ones to bear responsibility for endangering others.

[apophis@yourwalls.today]

@tagir_valeev
haters: genAI will never create anything

real genAI: made "this is fine" real

[lispi314@udongein.xyz]

@daniel_bohrer @Matt_999 @tagir_valeev Given an alarm can happen at any point, either spares should be available near the emergency exit or one should also ensure never to be too far from such resources.

Yes, this especially includes going to the restroom. Being stuck in -20℃ windy weather without a coat because one didn't bring it with oneself when going is a safety issue.

[lispi314@udongein.xyz]

@tagir_valeev @metacosm > The configuration will be adjusted after this incident.

On a probabilistic bullshit generator that does its own determination of topics (if it even has that much semantic analysis machinery, which it very well might not). Such that even if it was strictly allow-list based, it would still frequently fail to stay silent.

[lispi314@udongein.xyz]

@dalias @tagir_valeev At least when the environment is properly secure.

An old undermaintained chemical factory is always dangerous, deviations just make it even more so.