It's like finding out the open source community's got black mold

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@leo @algernon thank you for the information; i will be removing linux from my computer at the earliest opportunity

[leo@60228.dev]

@mcc@mastodon.social @algernon@come-from.mad-scientist.club NetBSD has an explicit ban on AI code

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@leo Thanks for this information. I cannot describe the extent of my sadness at the idea of having to use BSD, but thank you for this information.

[lu_leipzig@troet.cafe]

@mcc It's disheartening to see how many maintainers have fallen for AI. But on the other hand it's good to see that there's a decent amount of pushback as well. That gives some hope that this isn't the end. Best case scenario: We end up with a FOSS community that got rid of its problematic leaders, is more aware and critical of power dynamics and more focused on building good software instead of chasing whatever Silicon Valley is doing rn.

[pinkrhododendron@mastodon.social]

@mcc @leo I've had thoughts about this but I'm not sure how practical it is to use BSD as a daily driver

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@lu_leipzig So far pushback seems to have had no impact on projects and I see no organized attempts to fork more than a couple scattered projects in protest of AI infection. If we want a best case scenario we have to take steps toward making it happen.

[leo@60228.dev]

@pinkRhododendron@mastodon.social @mcc@mastodon.social it has a modern web browser which is basically the only hard requirement to daily drive an OS

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@pinkRhododendron @leo I want this more than I want a computer.

[pinkrhododendron@mastodon.social]

@mcc @leo Thats fair. Will be interesting to know how it goes 👍

[pinkrhododendron@mastodon.social]

@leo @mcc you're right, but there's always the issue that you plug some wifi adapter that has "only for windows" written on the box will not be recognized when you plug it in.
At least on linux, there's a very good chance some guy has gone through the same annoyance and made a driver for it already.

[leo@60228.dev]

@pinkRhododendron@mastodon.social @mcc@mastodon.social i mean chromeos kernels don't compile half of those drivers in and people use chromebooks fine

[moralrecordings@digipres.club]

@mcc It's telling that the one "big" success story in the years of slop has been computer programming, an industry where a lot of people have no professional standards and are allergic to solidarity.

[pinkrhododendron@mastodon.social]

@leo @mcc Yeah I get what you mean, but I don't think most chromebook users have a cupboard full of microcontrollers that they want to play with without dealing with drivers.

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@pinkRhododendron @leo i was already looking at learning linux kernel development to use some of these audio devices without windows

[lu_leipzig@troet.cafe]

@mcc Agreed, but where to start? Personally, I'd be willing to contribute to fork efforts as long as they're well-organized and principled, but I couldn't imagine forking a project without having been involved / familiar with the codebase. IMHO, there also needs to be an organization uniting the movement, and both the FSF (somewhat surprisingly) and the OSI (unsurprisingly) are failing big time at that so far.

[pinskia@hachyderm.io]

@mcc

So file systems, nothing new there as there was a murder almong them.
Oh protect the children too.

[lispi314@udongein.xyz]

@pinkRhododendron @mcc @leo It really depends on what you need.

Most of my machines would be quite fine on FreeBSD, but the gaming machine would be an issue and my server & NAS intentionally use btrfs instead of zfs which means I have a problem (until a FUSE implementation of btrfs is available, anyway).

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@lispi314 @leo @pinkRhododendron I need vulkan, webgpu, sdl_gpu and complex audio routing. If I can't run flatpaks I'm going to have really big problems. I have a webcam, I have a video capture card, I stream using OBS, I expect my AMD video compression acceleration to work. I expect to use my computer as a computer. I *am* looking at btrfs for my backup drive :(

[mcc@mastodon.social]

@lispi314 @leo @pinkRhododendron I have a Steam Deck for games. But I still need to be able to run OBS on the laptop, what if I run the Steam Deck into it

[lispi314@udongein.xyz]

@mcc@mastodon.social @leo@60228.dev @pinkRhododendron@mastodon.social For a backup drive, which doesn't usually have redundancy available, ZFS is probably fine.

My issue with ZFS is primarily that for live arrays (which a backup drive isn't) it assumes you're rich and can afford same-sized-or-larger replacements.

(It also assumes that datacenters spiking prices to 2~3x their norm never happens.)

FreeBSD has the DRM & amdgpu so it may or may not be fine even for GPU. It kind of depends on where the most recent ports from Linux are there. MESA ports are available too.

Flatpaks are most likely not an option. iirc they explicitly target Linux.

USB HIDs should be all fine.

I have a video capture card

It kinda depends on how it works. Some of those fake a webcam, some involve custom drivers, some completely bypass the host system (using the PCIe slot purely for power), it differs quite a lot.

AMD video compression acceleration

sdl_gpu

Depending on just how discovery is done, it might work fine.

Pipewire ports are available so that's everything JACK & PulseAudio handled (as well as the natively pipewire).

So, possible.

(Do not take this as a personal endorsement of FreeBSD, I do not currently use it, I simply know it has decent support and an adequate wiki.)