Learn to self host now.
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Learn to self host now. While you still can.
@vkc While it's occasionally frustrating, I overall love it. Use Immich and Emby and Syncthing and NextCloud every single day.
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Learn to self host now. While you still can.
Serious question: why do you say, so? Why now?
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@daria Reasonable folks could have different opinions on this, but I consider self-hosting to be "I administer the server and manage the software", and I'm willing to include "someone else manages the hardware" as part of that.
So, IMO a VPS counts. But I'd consider whether that's necessary or if you can get away with running your stuff on an old PC should the need arise.
I lean towards basing it on how tied you are to that VPS. If your VPS provider decides to suddenly double the price, or decides that your site is Bad™ and terminates it, how quickly can you migrate to a different host (whether VPS or home)?
Some of us don't have the luxury of much ISP competition, so I'm wary of running things from home, putting that connection at the mercy of our ISP's fickle whims.
(and tbh, I'm pretty tied to my VPS providers, and should take steps to untie those)
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@daria there's some good tools for that, Pangolin comes to mind- I run one on a VPS so I can share a few things with folks for testing.
Of course, keeping it behind the firewall and just using a VPN is totally fine too.
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Learn to self host now. While you still can.
I would say.... Learn to self‑host remotely.
If you’re American, the last thing you want is for everything to be stored locally on your computer and easily taken.
Due process is clearly out the window. Your rights to privacy and personal property are gone, too. People detained by ICE lose their phones and are never given them back. Your personal computer can also be seized.
Yes, host things yourself — but do it outside U.S. jurisdiction. That means avoiding large corporations like Google, Microsoft, and Amazon. Choose infrastructure overseas, where your government cannot simply claim your data or hardware.
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Learn to self host now. While you still can.
@vkc It's probably worth distinguishing between services to better scope the project, especially since various projects will require varying levels of public exposure and various kinds of resources.
I'd recommend starting people off with building their own firewall so they're less at risk from their own ISPs. This will be really good practice for setting up complex services like email.
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Learn to self host now. While you still can.
@vkc
I did. When it wasn't really necessary but just seemed interesting. Nothing fancy, just Nextcloud on an old desktop machine lurking in a garden shed. -
@yunohost awww thank you for the great compliment
❤️ - delighted to hear you are recommending my guides.And hello @Meznor ! I've been writing a blog series about how to self-host from the POV of a total newbie (that was me a year ago).
Part 1 is tech requirements: https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-1-reasons-requirements/
Part 2 is a step-by-step installation guide for the YunoHost system: https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-2-installation-setup/
and part 3 - coming tomorrow! - will show how to install an app. I'll be showcasing #NextCloud.
Feel free to reach out if you have any questions
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Learn to self host now. While you still can.
@vkc it's not the server that seems tough to me - it's the networking.
For now, I'm satisfied to keep my website on a hosting service in the EU (which was a very intentional choice).
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Serious question: why do you say, so? Why now?
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@vkc if PCs computing power are ment to be rented (you would not have an actual PC at home) i assume that yeu are talking about selfhosting and owning the hardware too. Interesting times ahead.
Edit: To add this https://hachyderm.io/@pheonix/115899759634576914
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Learn to self host now. While you still can.
@vkc Last year, I moved URLs and Mail server from AWS cloud to Hetzner and started to host my own Mailcow instance, all on baremetal. Maybe I will expand to more services.
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@vkc if you dont know or dont want to bother with manually setting up nextcloud, or other things, it seems like https://yunohost.org helps with easily setting up a server and installing various services in it. just in case someone finds it interesting.
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Learn to self host now. While you still can.
@vkc My son and I have all our parts together for a media server. We'll use Linux (haven't decided on which one) and OpenCloud. We're really excited to get our entire family off of Google.
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Serious question: why do you say, so? Why now?
@lgsp search is going to continue to degrade until it's hard to learn these skills, and quite obviously the robber barons of the cloud don't want us to have alternatives to them.
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Learn to self host now. While you still can.
@vkc Where? Got any recommendation for a good place to start learning?
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Learn to self host now. While you still can.
@vkc Sounds odd but I’ve lost a server. Honestly don’t know where it’s gone.
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@daria there's some good tools for that, Pangolin comes to mind- I run one on a VPS so I can share a few things with folks for testing.
Of course, keeping it behind the firewall and just using a VPN is totally fine too.
@vkc @daria I'd love to hear/read your thoughts on Pangolin - what do you host behind it, how do you find administering it, etc. I've got a couple services (#TandoorRecipes!) I'd like to share with people who I don't necessarily want to have to run Wireguard for...
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@vkc My son and I have all our parts together for a media server. We'll use Linux (haven't decided on which one) and OpenCloud. We're really excited to get our entire family off of Google.
@old_hippie @vkc If you want newbie and hassle free experience then yunohost is really good option.
I have really little experience but had to look after freebsd server 5+ years ago, last year decided to make media server and try out yunohost...
If Freebsd is your typical Linux experience then Yunohost is your any modern appstore experience. Install from recommended and 90% already done with 10% the extra management you should do (some are for security reasons as well).
So depending on your needs you might look at other options as yunohost skips most of the hassles setting up server has but from managing Freebsd, understanding Linux on deper level(or having good guides explaining what is what) is really useful when things go wrong. -
@52fighters How to implement something turnkey would vary dramatically with _what_ you want to self host.
I've been so far down this rabbit hole for so long I don't know what a typical non-technical user needs or wants. I'm guessing it varies person to person.
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