I needed a basic timer on Linux and so in installed gnome "clocks" via the program "software".
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@aeva is Clocks installed inside a flatpak (or snap) such that it cannot read /etc/timezone ?
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@aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place okay, needing location services is one thing, whatever, but falling back to... NOT the system location if you don't have it?! that... what. that doesn't make sense. at all.
I get why people might wish to have a clock app that figures out what time zone you're in and displays the appropriate time. I do not get why it wouldn't fall back on the actual system set timezone.@aud it is a fascinating mystery for sure
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@aeva is Clocks installed inside a flatpak (or snap) such that it cannot read /etc/timezone ?
@glyph should be the rpm version
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I googled it, found a forum thread that describes sorta the same problem, but it seems to come down to it needing some location service I don't want, and there might be a setting for it in the gnome settings, and i don't want to have gnome settings installed and any ways my lunch break is done and I need to get back to work so that's as much attention as I can afford to give gnome Clocks's eccentric location divination.
@aeva GNOME is opinionated software, and in its opinion you live in New York
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@glyph confirmed: it is the rpm version
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oh and specifically it's not just new york that it picks as the default location but Farmingdale new york, which according to wikipedia makes this a very reasonable default for exactly 8,466 people
@aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place I personally would have picked Yonkers, because as a kid I saw Hello, Dolly! a lot I guess and much like quicksand, figured Yonkers would be a much more important piece of my life than it has been.
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@aeva GNOME is opinionated software, and in its opinion you live in New York
@aeva I’m sure if you asked the developers they would suggest some simple workarounds, such as moving to New York
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@aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place I personally would have picked Yonkers, because as a kid I saw Hello, Dolly! a lot I guess and much like quicksand, figured Yonkers would be a much more important piece of my life than it has been.
@aud personally I'd have picked Mexico City
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@aeva bad guess on my part! I got curious though and fired up my Debian VM (did not realize you were on… fedora? redhat?) and launched Clocks to see what its default behavior is, and this is hilarious:
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@aeva bad guess on my part! I got curious though and fired up my Debian VM (did not realize you were on… fedora? redhat?) and launched Clocks to see what its default behavior is, and this is hilarious:
@aeva even better when I click on "Add World Clock…"
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@glyph see, having nothing populated by default would be reasonable, but I have a "current location" clock I cannot change or remove there.
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I googled it, found a forum thread that describes sorta the same problem, but it seems to come down to it needing some location service I don't want, and there might be a setting for it in the gnome settings, and i don't want to have gnome settings installed and any ways my lunch break is done and I need to get back to work so that's as much attention as I can afford to give gnome Clocks's eccentric location divination.
@aeva i know that pain. If you so not like gnome-settings installed, how about dconf and then using dump and load?
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@aeva i know that pain. If you so not like gnome-settings installed, how about dconf and then using dump and load?
@bws I'll probably have to, but idk what I'm looking for
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oh and specifically it's not just new york that it picks as the default location but Farmingdale new york, which according to wikipedia makes this a very reasonable default for exactly 8,466 people
probably also worth noting: the purpose of the timer was I wanted to eat my lunch and draw a picture within 30 minutes, and because the application contained a timer and an irritating bonus distraction my lunch break ended up being eating my lunch and touching Linux. the idea might come back to me again but I don't remember what I wanted to draw
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probably also worth noting: the purpose of the timer was I wanted to eat my lunch and draw a picture within 30 minutes, and because the application contained a timer and an irritating bonus distraction my lunch break ended up being eating my lunch and touching Linux. the idea might come back to me again but I don't remember what I wanted to draw
@aeva if only you notated it down somewhere so you could remember what it was...
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I needed a basic timer on Linux and so in installed gnome "clocks" via the program "software". This works fine for that purpose, but when you open it it greets you with the time in your "current location". It gives me new york for some reason and I do not live in new york, and my time zone is set as America/Chicago so I don't know how it came to that conclusion. Naturally there is no setting exposed to change this. What.
@aeva ugh, reminds me of the pain every time I want to change the system's time zone on an Ubuntu VM I have set up to test clients in different time zones.
For some reason, instead of listing stuff like EST/EDT, UTC, etc it has a gigantic list of random cities. If I remember right they're not in any particular order either. It's as bizarre as it is frustrating.
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probably also worth noting: the purpose of the timer was I wanted to eat my lunch and draw a picture within 30 minutes, and because the application contained a timer and an irritating bonus distraction my lunch break ended up being eating my lunch and touching Linux. the idea might come back to me again but I don't remember what I wanted to draw
@aeva *holding on for dear life to a piece of driftwood labeled "but is it worse than KDE's clock?"*
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I needed a basic timer on Linux and so in installed gnome "clocks" via the program "software". This works fine for that purpose, but when you open it it greets you with the time in your "current location". It gives me new york for some reason and I do not live in new york, and my time zone is set as America/Chicago so I don't know how it came to that conclusion. Naturally there is no setting exposed to change this. What.
@aeva add it to the pile of reasons Linux isn't a serious OS for people who have to do work on their computer
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@aeva add it to the pile of reasons Linux isn't a serious OS for people who have to do work on their computer
@pendell if the location bug were the only thing it wouldn't matter, but it's just one bit of an endless deluge of little issues like this and that is a real problem
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@aeva if only you notated it down somewhere so you could remember what it was...
Wait...@MissAemilia I didn't think I'd think I'd need to
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@aeva go and hurt me! see if i care!
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@lritter I could check after work if you want
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@pendell consensus and community input are important for foundational systems (eg display, audio, network, date time, etc) so that essential functionality is stable and implemented well enough that the rest of the ecosystem can be built on it, but it's not really important whether or not Crazy Bob's Chronometer Bauble fits into some grand brand vision
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@pendell I disagree, this was a problem that was created by trying to have a unified vision (it's a gnome app using a gnome service and it works fine if you use gnome but i don't use gnome), and if it was designed to function well stand-alone it wouldn't have had this problem and wouldn't have required any broader coordination with anyone else's vision beyond the passive agreement that comes from using standard interfaces
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@aeva the dice roll in the middle of drowning suggests that it was mere luck that we reached an outcome where you could not tell if the gnome clock was worse. it could have just as well gone the other way, and in fact, had you been slightly more informed, you would have definitely obliterated my little piece of driftwood.
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@lritter I've gotta ask though did you(?) win or lose
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@aeva "is he making fun of drowning people, what the hell?" no wait, it is metaphorical, expressing that i love pointless nerd debates but am simultaneously aware of how exhausted everyone is of them and so i tried to paint a picture that serves both sides equally badly
