Been pondering the change in the #activitypub #wordpress plugin to depreciate Template Tags and (presumably eventually) only federate WP posts as Article objects
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Been pondering the change in the #activitypub #wordpress plugin to depreciate Template Tags and (presumably eventually) only federate WP posts as Article objects.
My posts currently federate as Notes, with the full text displayed by Mastodon. Updates are also correctly federated.
When federating as an Article, only the summary is shown in Mastodon. (Fair enough!) But subsequent edits are not reflected - despite their presence in the Update action.
Is this as expected? #mastodon
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Been pondering the change in the #activitypub #wordpress plugin to depreciate Template Tags and (presumably eventually) only federate WP posts as Article objects.
My posts currently federate as Notes, with the full text displayed by Mastodon. Updates are also correctly federated.
When federating as an Article, only the summary is shown in Mastodon. (Fair enough!) But subsequent edits are not reflected - despite their presence in the Update action.
Is this as expected? #mastodon
Hi heathenstorm@mastodon.social, that's an interesting side-effect, but not one that I was aware of. It might be that it is a bug that lies on the WordPress side or the Mastodon side. This might be something pfefferle@mastodon.social would be best to answer.
I will say this, though... that Mastodon has had a history of not supporting long-form text well. You can even get a feel of that now; inline images are missing even though the full text is available. This is by design because Mastodon is a micro-blog, and they have made some intentional UI decisions whose tradeoff is that full HTML display with inline images and such would ruin the effect.
We could debate endlessly about whether this is a net positive or not, but that's beside the point.
What I want to say is that we're in a sort of inflection point with regard to long-form text where Mastodon is taking small but meaningful steps toward better supporting long-form text. Part of that is allowing for Articles and summaries, and encouraging users to view the article on the WordPress site itself.
Remember that not even a year ago, Mastodon didn't even render summaries (or showed them as content warnings, or didn't accept HTML...)
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@julian @heathenstorm can you tell me a bit more about the update issues you have?
edits of posts should be federated as updates, otherwise it is a bug or interference with other plugins!?
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@julian @heathenstorm can you tell me a bit more about the update issues you have?
edits of posts should be federated as updates, otherwise it is a bug or interference with other plugins!?
@pfefferle @julian There doesn’t seem to be any problem with the ActivityPub Wordpress plugin. Update activities on Article objects are correctly federated; and Friendica picks up the changes without issue.
(As an aside, I had to install the nodeinfo WP plugin so follow requests worked from Friendica, but that could just be my homelab configuration.)
It’s just Mastodon that doesn’t do anything with Article Updates. So for now I keep using Template Tags and a Note object.
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@pfefferle @julian There doesn’t seem to be any problem with the ActivityPub Wordpress plugin. Update activities on Article objects are correctly federated; and Friendica picks up the changes without issue.
(As an aside, I had to install the nodeinfo WP plugin so follow requests worked from Friendica, but that could just be my homelab configuration.)
It’s just Mastodon that doesn’t do anything with Article Updates. So for now I keep using Template Tags and a Note object.
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@pfefferle @julian There doesn’t seem to be any problem with the ActivityPub Wordpress plugin. Update activities on Article objects are correctly federated; and Friendica picks up the changes without issue.
(As an aside, I had to install the nodeinfo WP plugin so follow requests worked from Friendica, but that could just be my homelab configuration.)
It’s just Mastodon that doesn’t do anything with Article Updates. So for now I keep using Template Tags and a Note object.
@heathenstorm @julian maybe mastodon is checking the diff of the summary and if the changes does not effect the summary, it will not be updated!?
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@heathenstorm @julian maybe mastodon is checking the diff of the summary and if the changes does not effect the summary, it will not be updated!?
@pfefferle @julian In my tests the edits were made in the first paragraph, so both summary and preview fields updated as well. (The latter being Note type.)
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@pfefferle @julian In my tests the edits were made in the first paragraph, so both summary and preview fields updated as well. (The latter being Note type.)
@heathenstorm have you experienced similar issues with Articles @julian @johnonolan @matt ???
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@heathenstorm have you experienced similar issues with Articles @julian @johnonolan @matt ???
@pfefferle @heathenstorm @julian @matt we’ve seen some other/different strangeness - like update activities trigger posts returning to the top of the feed in mastodon as if they’re new. So when someone edits a bunch of posts from 5 years ago, it sometimes floods the feeds of followers
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@pfefferle @heathenstorm @julian @matt we’ve seen some other/different strangeness - like update activities trigger posts returning to the top of the feed in mastodon as if they’re new. So when someone edits a bunch of posts from 5 years ago, it sometimes floods the feeds of followers
@johnonolan @pfefferle @heathenstorm @julian @matt yes I also experienced an old post re-appearing as brand new in the Fediverse after I updated the original article. If you'd like I can re-test it now (I've got 3 federated Wordpress blogs) 🤗
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@pfefferle @heathenstorm @julian @matt we’ve seen some other/different strangeness - like update activities trigger posts returning to the top of the feed in mastodon as if they’re new. So when someone edits a bunch of posts from 5 years ago, it sometimes floods the feeds of followers
johnonolan@mastodon.xyz pfefferle@mastodon.social elena@aseachange.com only for Articles?!
I haven't seen this myself but I don't edit my topics much after they're out there.
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@julian @pfefferle @elena not sure! It could make more sense for notes - I think - I’m guessing not many people edit really old notes in the way they do for articles, so it’s more likely to be a recent edit/update(?) I’m just guessing though
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@julian @pfefferle @elena not sure! It could make more sense for notes - I think - I’m guessing not many people edit really old notes in the way they do for articles, so it’s more likely to be a recent edit/update(?) I’m just guessing though
elena@aseachange.com could it be that you're editing an article that had never been federated before (aka predates the AP plugin)?
In that case the published update might be the first time a Mastodon instance sees it, and it might promote it to the top of the feed even if it's many years old?
pfefferle@mastodon.social johnonolan@mastodon.xyz heathenstorm@mastodon.social
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@julian @elena @pfefferle @heathenstorm ohhh that’s a great hypothesis. I hadn’t thought of that. Yes, high probability.
Though, still an interesting wrinkle where I would expect the feed to be sorted by published_at rather than created_at - if you know what I mean
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heathenstorm@mastodon.social Am confirming that when NodeBB sends an Update, it is processed by other NodeBBs, but Mastodon does not update the status.
cc elena@aseachange.com johnonolan@mastodon.xyz pfefferle@mastodon.social
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@julian @elena @pfefferle @heathenstorm ohhh that’s a great hypothesis. I hadn’t thought of that. Yes, high probability.
Though, still an interesting wrinkle where I would expect the feed to be sorted by published_at rather than created_at - if you know what I mean
@johnonolan @julian @pfefferle @heathenstorm ooooh interesting theory! I can do some A/B testing tomorrow
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@julian @elena @johnonolan @heathenstorm but I experienced that Mastodon ignores `Update`s for posts that where not `Create`ed before...
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@julian @elena @johnonolan @heathenstorm but I experienced that Mastodon ignores `Update`s for posts that where not `Create`ed before...
@julian @elena @johnonolan @heathenstorm so much guessing 🫣
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@julian @elena @johnonolan @heathenstorm so much guessing 🫣
@pfefferle @julian @johnonolan @heathenstorm so I just tested this... I updated an old blog post (from 2023) before the site was ever federated... and it just popped up in my Mastodon feed (see photo) as if I had just published it...
The blog has all the latest versions of plugins installed (ActivityPub for Wordpress included).
original link: https://therealists.org/2023/04/aligning-our-life-goals-with-our-technology-use/
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