In case you haven't heard it lately, it's not a moral failing to be fat.
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@polypunk @disabledanarchist @nobrainnopain what do you understand the term political correctness to mean? Because what it really boils down to is giving a shit about not hurting people, and if you don't care who you hurt because it serves your purposes you're really no different to Trump
@afewbugs @polypunk @disabledanarchist you’re freaking out and compare me to Trump. Do you know Godwin‘s law?
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@afewbugs @polypunk @disabledanarchist you’re freaking out and compare me to Trump. Do you know Godwin‘s law?
@nobrainnopain @afewbugs @polypunk I don't see anyone freaking out here, friend. Perhaps you need to interrogate your own biases if this conversation is making you uncomfortable.
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That's the problem and you refuse to understand. Weight and ability are not a character flaw, thus they shouldn't be being used to mock. The people you hurt the most with that sort of language are the people around you that are those things, as well. You are also behaving exactly like them, let us remember how the far right talked about Heather Heyer after she was killed by a white supremacist in Charlottesville. Whilst they were attempting to resuscitate her her belly became exposed, and the fascists made a whole meal of rhetoric around it. I remember, because I am fat. I know just how much they hate people like me. And you are partaking in that very same hate when you mock weight and ability.
Being a rapist, pedophile and a fascist definitely are character flaws. Why isn't calling them these very bad things enough?
@disabledanarchist @polypunk you don’t know my weight. And it’s not about weight that I laugh about Trump. But I don’t think that someone should tell me what I do think is funny. That’s the point you haven’t got,
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@nobrainnopain @afewbugs @polypunk I don't see anyone freaking out here, friend. Perhaps you need to interrogate your own biases if this conversation is making you uncomfortable.
@disabledanarchist @afewbugs @polypunk maybe I should, I’ll sleep on it. And you should take a look at Godwin‘s law before comparing others to Trump in a discussion.
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@disabledanarchist @afewbugs @polypunk maybe I should, I’ll sleep on it. And you should take a look at Godwin‘s law before comparing others to Trump in a discussion.
@disabledanarchist @polypunk @nobrainnopain I believe Godwin's law refers to Hitler not Trump, and Godwin himself has rescinded it. But you didn't answer my question, what do you believe political correctness to mean?
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@disabledanarchist @polypunk @nobrainnopain I believe Godwin's law refers to Hitler not Trump, and Godwin himself has rescinded it. But you didn't answer my question, what do you believe political correctness to mean?
@afewbugs @disabledanarchist @polypunk Why should I as you think comparing me to Trump is a good idea.
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@disabledanarchist everyone got fat at once over a period of a few decades when food production systems changed.
People didn't suddenly all loose willpower
Not only is it not a moral failure - it is a system failure.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10015774/Sean,
Yes, the causes of different body weights have changed historically, and are shaped by things including food additives/product substitutions, environmental toxins, and cycles of starvation.
But, FYI (in case you or others are not already aware) there are a lot of fat activists who would be troubled by the assumption in that article that 'preventing ob*sity' is a desirable goal, since it assumes 'ob*sity' is inherently bad.
Here are some sources on those points (though some also make conventional negative assumptions about weight & use potentially offensive language)
From thermodynamic to metabolic understanding of weight (toxins, starvation), a few examples from an extensive literature:
Obesity as malnutrition: the dimensions beyond energy balance
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejcn201331The environmental account of obesity: a case for feminist skepticism [n.b. the 'environmental account' refers to things like urban design rather than endocrine disruptors] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21114084/
Prenatal Exposure to Multiple Endocrine-Disrupting Chemicals and Childhood BMI Trajectories in the INMA Cohort Study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37850789/Canaries in the coal mine: a cross-species analysis of the plurality of obesity epidemics [animals in research labs have also gotten fatter over the years, despite controlled environments]
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rspb/article-abstract/278/1712/1626/73594/Canaries-in-the-coal-mine-a-cross-species-analysisBody weight is not a good guide to health (though health is not a moral metric):
Cardiorespiratory fitness, body mass index and mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39537313/
Relationship Between Low Cardiorespiratory Fitness and Mortality in Normal-Weight, Overweight, and Obese Men https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/192035Long‐term Effects of Dieting: Is Weight Loss Related to Health?
https://compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/spc3.12076More sources: https://libguides.pratt.edu/fatstudies
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@disabledanarchist @polypunk you don’t know my weight. And it’s not about weight that I laugh about Trump. But I don’t think that someone should tell me what I do think is funny. That’s the point you haven’t got,
You’re assumption are wrong.@nobrainnopain @polypunk I'm asking you to consider who you're hurting with your jokes. It ain't Trump. I'm not only speaking of weight but ability, too. I used weight as an example, but there's countless other examples of disability being used.
Ableism is pervasive in our societies, and everyday mocking of disabilities allows it to persist. It subtly implants in your mind that certain people are less than based on diverging from the ideal, which is a cis-het, able-bodied, white male in their 20s-40s, any other deviation is bad and should be considered shameful.This exact conversation is why I haven't really been talking about this subject much lately. Most people right now are less interested in interrogating their own biases and are being reactionary. Which sucks, and it's annoying, but there's more pressing work for me lately. My hope is this would catch people with open minds and they would think about how they are contributing to oppression in their lives. That's obviously not you, enjoy your ableist jokes, I have bigger fish to fry.
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@disabledanarchist Did you know that Nazis invented the BMI?
edit: oops, no it wasn't.
Do you have a source for the claim that Nazis invented BMI? Thx
As far as I'm aware, the calculation was based on the work of an 1830s statistician, and promoted by a U.S. researcher in the 1970s. -
In case you haven't heard it lately, it's not a moral failing to be fat.
Fascists support the perfect body as ideal, and during this time it is getting more and more socially dangerous to be fat. I even hear it from my own comrades. It really is bullshit how much we use body shaming, and disability to discredit our enemies. It's as if being fascists and pedophiles isn't insult enough... which says a lot about how we view disability, and fat people.
Please stop using fatness and disability as insults.
@disabledanarchist
For the last few years I've become fascinated with our cousin great apes, gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans, and bonobos. And one thing they all have in common are rounded, bloated, pot bellies. If you are in the great ape family, it is a sign of good health, and good digestion,( including farting) to have a nice round belly, We are also great apes, and it shows how neurotic and removed humans are from our biological reality, and the natural world, that we've become obsessed with flat bellies, and perfect bodies. Obsessing about looks and the body is a huge waste of time, and is a giant energy drain. Non Human great apes are, stronger, more agile, and in many ways smarter than us. They never worry about their pot bellies. The more I accept my great apeness the better I feel. -
Do you have a source for the claim that Nazis invented BMI? Thx
As far as I'm aware, the calculation was based on the work of an 1830s statistician, and promoted by a U.S. researcher in the 1970s.@anarchademic I think I might be mistaken, sorry. I'm not sure where I picked that up.
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