Pressure on Senators •is working•.
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And to be clear, zeroing out the budget, scrapping the DHS, returning its law enforcement duties to local agencies, and prosecuting ICE officers — all of that! — is the •moderate• position here.
The extremist position is violence of a kind and scale I shudder to contemplate.
Pressure them. Rattle them out of their stupor.
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UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.
Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.
My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.
Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.
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your "extremist" position reminds me of this short story (from @garbados ?) that i have had open in a spare tab for *months*
https://blog.bovid.space/they-let-me-live
it is oddly hopeful about the aftermath of adopting the extremist position
@trochee regarding extremist positions, C.L.R. James wrote that "The cruelties of property and privilege are always more ferocious than the revenges of poverty and oppression. For the one aims at perpetuating resented injustice, the other is merely a momentary passion soon appeased." @inthehands
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UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.
Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.
My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.
Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.
@inthehands Having someone more responsible in charge of the secret police does not make it okay to have a secret police in the first place.
And if ICE is not removed - if the secret police continues to exist - then the absolute best case result is this calms down now, and the same thing happens again later. -
@reiddragon
Politicians never lead. The population leads; politicians follow. Sometimes it seems like maybe that’s not the case, but it is. -
UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.
Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.
My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.
Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.
@inthehands
Can the senate impeach, or does the house have to do it like with the president? -
@amyshark @inthehands the situation we're in requires many avenues of resistance, and none of them are completely without value. Discouraging people from calling their senators doesn't inherently encourage them to do other things that might work a little better. Everyone is at a different stage of growth out of the capitalist hell we were raised in, and I imagine finding out that their call did nothing will give people better ideas more than giving up before they even try it will
Exactly. Spread education. Spread ideas. Channel the energy people have into useful activities. Don’t give up - do things that can add value to the resistance. Maybe it’s something small like reposting something on social media, signing a petition, asking someone to lead a local event, going to a town hall. Maybe it’s brushing up your own knowledge or helping others learn. Craftivism. Protesting. Not using Amazon. ANYTHING is SOMETHING.
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UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.
Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.
My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.
Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.
@inthehands yes!
And same with ICE leaving Minnesota. Don’t just get them out of one state. Get them out of every state.
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My message to Senators:
❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.
“More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •
If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞
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@inthehands How can these Senators sit back and watch US AID get defunded, and the FTC, and the FDA, and the CDC? Then, when people discuss defunding murderers, it’s not that easy?
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UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.
Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.
My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.
Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.
right. don't replace her. prosecute, disband the whole DHS/CBP/ICE, prosecute any of them that need it too.
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My message to Senators:
❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.
“More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •
If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞
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@inthehands
Department of Fatherland Security
AKA
Council of Ministers for the Defense of the Reich -
@amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands
Republican billionaires funded a multi-front war on democracy.
Courts. Congress. Disinformation. Sabotaging education. Book bans. Defunding higher education. Decades of Fox News blasting away into the minds of soldiers on military bases.
An equally broad response is required to counteract it.
A counterinsurgency needs guerilla tactics beyond simply voting.
Get creative. A big one is collecting evidence for war crimes trials. DNA. Payroll records. ID'S.
@Npars01 @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands Look at the tactics of fascists butthurt about masks. Most of those didn’t own the trucks they used to block roads and bridges. Look at the guys who occupied the Malheur facility. They were openly armed, but only one was shot and he had to repeatedly threaten to draw down on FBI before finally getting shot. I know the threshold will be nowhere near that high, but we need to start playing their game.
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@stepheneb @inthehands And it's a campaign of retribution. MN didn't vote for DJT 3 times. Now he's taking out his revenge on them.
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UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.
Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.
My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.
Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.
What every US citizen can simply do NOW
we #US citizens need to immediately demand
our #Congress impeach and convict Trump asap,
or be #primaried by those who will
write/phone/email/scream outside their officesfind those candidates https://www.citizensimpeachment.com/
https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representativeLet's do #Democracy
Spread the word -
@Npars01 @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands Look at the tactics of fascists butthurt about masks. Most of those didn’t own the trucks they used to block roads and bridges. Look at the guys who occupied the Malheur facility. They were openly armed, but only one was shot and he had to repeatedly threaten to draw down on FBI before finally getting shot. I know the threshold will be nowhere near that high, but we need to start playing their game.
@su_liam @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands
There is no "game".
It's a state terror campaign.
Terror campaigns too easily evolve into decades long factional violence.
Tit-for-tat retaliation like Ireland's "The Troubles" or the Gaza Genocide.
They often lead to collaped states run by warlords like Lebanon.
Not recommended. The USA is still retrievable if the overly simplistic "solutions" like civil war or factional political violence is avoided.
Suggest cutting off the MAGA money 1st
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@su_liam @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands
There is no "game".
It's a state terror campaign.
Terror campaigns too easily evolve into decades long factional violence.
Tit-for-tat retaliation like Ireland's "The Troubles" or the Gaza Genocide.
They often lead to collaped states run by warlords like Lebanon.
Not recommended. The USA is still retrievable if the overly simplistic "solutions" like civil war or factional political violence is avoided.
Suggest cutting off the MAGA money 1st
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Cutting off the MAGA money.
1. Find a supply of Rose Volland's to track it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Valland2. Gather evidence on the complicit
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5705828-walz-bondi-immigration-dispute/3. A global effort to track & eliminate tax evasion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LuxLeakshttps://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers
4. Gather evidence of the lies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers5. Get depositions & witness testimony right after each murder. Spread the word.
6. Get evidence
https://www.britannica.com/topic/IG-Farben -
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Cutting off the MAGA money.
1. Find a supply of Rose Volland's to track it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Valland2. Gather evidence on the complicit
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5705828-walz-bondi-immigration-dispute/3. A global effort to track & eliminate tax evasion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LuxLeakshttps://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers
4. Gather evidence of the lies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers5. Get depositions & witness testimony right after each murder. Spread the word.
6. Get evidence
https://www.britannica.com/topic/IG-Farben3/
7. Accelerate the switch to renewable energy. MAGA is funded by fossil fuel cash.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html
8. Sanction The Moneyed dynasties behind MAGA & Project 2025
https://www.desmog.com/2016/01/21/beyond-koch-brothers-scaife-olin-bradley-jane-mayer-dark-money/
9. Bankrupt the AI tech bros. Fast.
https://www.404media.co/ai-is-supercharging-the-war-on-libraries-education-and-human-knowledge/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/11/elon-musk-ai-grok-nazi-meltdown
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@inthehands
Can the senate impeach, or does the house have to do it like with the president?The House starts impeachments. The Senate finishes them.
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My message to Senators:
❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.
“More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •
If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞
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I remember thinking, when it was established, that it’s only oppressive authoritarian countries that find a use for a Department of Homeland Security.
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UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.
Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.
My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.
Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.
I want ICE disbanded immediately and payroll rescinded. These are folks who joined the Nazis with both eyes open. They should not be paid for their part in joining an operation for murdering citizens. They don't get that $50k. They don't get whatever they were set to. If the Trump administration can cancel payroll for however many people at the say of DOGE, this should be juuust fine.
I really want them locked up in freezing concrete bunkers with no toiletries, clothes or food for weeks, but our system still believes in humane treatment for mass murderers.
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UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.
Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.
My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.
Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.
A little problem we face this year is that many of those Dem politicians are not scared of you because they have the whole thing stitched up.
I don't mean electoral fraud; just run of the mill political kettling where you have to choose between full-on evil and demure evil. No other choices, welcome to democracy!
I don't have a solution to this problem, but the problem is as much the Democratic party as it is MAGA, as these "centrists" incomprehensible position illustrates.
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