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@mirth @agowa338 @tymwol more broadly speaking, there are some strong indications that on balance it isn't delivering on its promise. A recent roundup from @davidgerard: https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/09/09/if-ai-coding-is-so-good-where-are-the-little-apps/
@glyph @agowa338 @tymwol @davidgerard Your post is very well framed. I think you can simplify the equation to C/PH because I, W, and E are each approximately zero, and as you point out it's tricky to estimate the other numbers. If we assume for a second well-framed problems have P close to 1.0 (I suspect this is true), the major variability is C/H which I expect to be highly variable dependent similar to how some areas are easier to mechanically test than others.
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@glyph @agowa338 @tymwol @davidgerard Your post is very well framed. I think you can simplify the equation to C/PH because I, W, and E are each approximately zero, and as you point out it's tricky to estimate the other numbers. If we assume for a second well-framed problems have P close to 1.0 (I suspect this is true), the major variability is C/H which I expect to be highly variable dependent similar to how some areas are easier to mechanically test than others.
@glyph @agowa338 @tymwol @davidgerard What I am most concerned about are what in the post you categorize as harm to the humans and 2nd order effects. I think these get to be much more concerning as the underlying tools get more effective, and I'm not sure how to even mitigate those problems. If we look at how mass media and social media have melted people's brains a bit...
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@glyph the story in four acts we are about to see (just one example, but could be Wikipedia, or anything else as well)
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@agowa338 @glyph @tymwol @davidgerard Is there data on that? Acknowledging that this is anecdote, I see non-programmers in my extended work and social world trying to build little apps for whatever personal purpose that I don't think they would have attempted a couple years ago. I don't think most of them even know what StackOverflow is. (and their inspiration may be all about marketing rather than actual experience, so we will see how they fare)
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@glyph I know they have a policy about retitling posts to avoid click bait in some cases, but it seems to be a failure of reading comprehension to take this as clickbait and a joke in the introductory paragraphs to be the ‘answer’. And then extremely bad faith to then take that non-answer as a dogwhistle.
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@mirth @agowa338 @tymwol more broadly speaking, there are some strong indications that on balance it isn't delivering on its promise. A recent roundup from @davidgerard: https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/09/09/if-ai-coding-is-so-good-where-are-the-little-apps/
@glyph @mirth @agowa338 @tymwol @davidgerard
Maybe the 10x coders are those that couldn't code before?
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@glyph Ow, this "title butchering" is really concerning…
@krono it's not an *entirely* unfair attempt at summarization but if I wanted people to get mad at me for somebody else naming my articles I'd go work for a newspaper
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@krono it's not an *entirely* unfair attempt at summarization but if I wanted people to get mad at me for somebody else naming my articles I'd go work for a newspaper
@glyph Fair.
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@glyph I know they have a policy about retitling posts to avoid click bait in some cases, but it seems to be a failure of reading comprehension to take this as clickbait and a joke in the introductory paragraphs to be the ‘answer’. And then extremely bad faith to then take that non-answer as a dogwhistle.
@benjamineskola As I said in other replies on lobsters, I absolutely understand how everyone can be on a hair trigger about fascist shit these days so I am definitely not judging anyone for getting upset. They are for sure not _correct_ but also it is, a little bit, on me for not addressing this explicitly earlier.
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@glyph I have a friend who spent the last year+ battling a kratom addiction. I get the analogy, and why you chose it, but using an addiction framing to talk about LLM usage is an analogy that risks really trivializing addiction (Is there a biological, genetic component to LLM usage? Is LLM usage linked to underlying psychological disorders like anxiety and depression?). I understand how you got here, and don’t think you’re wrong exactly, but I do wish you hadn’t made this argument.
@jacob @glyph couldn't there easily be an actual physical addiction to LLMs, same as with social media / "checking your phone" => dopamine releases => resistance => need to increased usage (cycle of addiction) ?
I would also guess from all the bad news that LLMs in relation to other areas in which it enters people's lives would produce similar cycles of addiction that also involves anxiety and depression.
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@glyph got to love the folks going "the only right answer is one that assumes a 4k monitor" like 1080p monitors aren't still incredibly common devices.
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@glyph if there is anything you would regret not doing, I recommend focusing on that
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@glyph I feel so seen with the Pomodouroboros option, but also I voted for all of them so 🤷
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@glyph if there is anything you would regret not doing, I recommend focusing on that
@aeva I don't know if this is everyone's experience of ADHD but most of my life spent doing activities is spent intensely regretting not doing every other activity I am not presently doing. If I got a tattoo it would say "ALL REGRETS" (and then I would regret the time spent getting the tattoo because I could have been doing several other things during that time).
Hence my appeal to the wisdom of crowds
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@aeva I don't know if this is everyone's experience of ADHD but most of my life spent doing activities is spent intensely regretting not doing every other activity I am not presently doing. If I got a tattoo it would say "ALL REGRETS" (and then I would regret the time spent getting the tattoo because I could have been doing several other things during that time).
Hence my appeal to the wisdom of crowds
@aeva nevertheless I appreciate your affirmation
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@aeva I don't know if this is everyone's experience of ADHD but most of my life spent doing activities is spent intensely regretting not doing every other activity I am not presently doing. If I got a tattoo it would say "ALL REGRETS" (and then I would regret the time spent getting the tattoo because I could have been doing several other things during that time).
Hence my appeal to the wisdom of crowds
@glyph big mood
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@ryo yeah, it's time we start looking at upgrading our DeepL subscription @btp @krisfreedain
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@TomF they real people just like us 😌
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faccetta nera
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@sheepnik A miniature sombrero manifested itself in my house (probably one of my offspring brought it in) and I've mostly been trying to convince the cats to wear it. Now I need a dino like yours, I think!
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@thatgiga la tempistica è troppo precisa per essere un caso.
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@rysiek I hate so much that we can't disable AI without also disabling actually useful services. SO MUCH.
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@Otttoz @Alberto
E ancora ci portiamo nei nomi dei nostri borghi l’insensata cultura di quella guerra
Bainsizza e’ una città slovena, come era allora
Bello però pensare alla strada che l’Unione europea ci ha fatto fare
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@thatgiga I meloni sudamericani si chiamano bolsonaro?
