Struggling to resize windows on macOS Tahoe?

[nekohayo@mastodon.social]

@eliocamp @menos @RaphaelWimmer @noheger
Below is a video with GNOME's libadwaita, but slowly so we can actually see.
Again: GNOME didn't have draggable inner corners to begin with, even with square corners.

Even at the smallest cursor size I can drag anywhere on the corner's edge, plus generous margins outside. While it'd be neat if you also had an inner margin, edge grabbing *does* work. Personally I've no problems resizing in practice.

P.s.: it's been rounded since 2018, macOS copied us 😏

[eliocamp@mastodon.social]

@nekohayo I don't see the difference. The point is that you need to drag from outside the window. 🤔

@menos @RaphaelWimmer @noheger

[nekohayo@mastodon.social]

@eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger
The difference is that you folks are making a mountain out of a molehill and then @menos blames #GNOME, saying it "can be trusted to copy the stupidest ideas from everybody else"… whereas here it was the other way around, and the behavior in GNOME (& others) has been that way for decades even with square corners (I wouldn't be surprised if it was due to technical limitations too).

This is true for non-GNOME and non-GTK apps too, like LibreOffice, Qt apps, etc.

[matzipan@hachyderm.io]

@nekohayo @eliocamp @RaphaelWimmer @noheger @menos just checked on Ubuntu 22.04 with GNOME and I cannot reproduce. Pulling exactly in the rounded edge works fine. It is true that the pull target is a bit bigger to help. I do not see a problem with that.

[the_wub@mastodon.social]

@farshidhakimy @groxx @phl @noheger The Win 7 laptop I used at work had the Classic "NT4" theme. I have managed to avoid any of the later versions of Windows :)

I have always found opacity in (G)UIs confusing. That and the relatively recent fetish of scroll bars that fade in and out.

Neither of these "features" help me at all.

[groxx@hachyderm.io]

@the_wub @farshidhakimy @phl @noheger yea, win2k was the last Windows UI that I actually liked. I can appreciate some of XP's changes, but I still turned it off whenever I could.

Thankfully scrollbars are still usually force-enable-able. Though it frequently causes UI issues due to changing the available width. What a world.

[gumnos@mastodon.bsd.cafe]

@otyugh

I found that alt+drag was used in some applications (particularly GIMP, Inkscape, and Blender) and using alt+{LMB,RMB} masked functionality, so I moved it to Mod4/Logo+drag for zero conflicts.

But yeah, the "hold down a modifier key and drag with the LMB-to-move or RMB-to-resize from *anywhere in the window*" is so much less painful than trying to hit that tiny resize-target.

@noheger

[otyugh@pouet.chapril.org]

@gumnos @noheger It's in 100% of apps when the windows manager is xfwm (and if I trust my declining memory, all openbox forks too)

[fcalva@cyberplace.social]

@noheger At this point the OpenTTD WM is more polished than both Windows' and MacOS' :v

[nicolas17@social.treehouse.systems]

@noheger @siracusa @ianRobinson You can downgrade M4, but you'd have to erase everything, and you're on your own for preserving your data. A full backup made on 26 wouldn't be compatible with 15.

[ianrobinson@mastodon.social]

@nicolas17 Ta. I have multiple data backups. And always make a fresh copy of my Documents folder before wiping.

I’m seeing how 26.2 behaves before deciding.

[byteborg@chaos.social]

@noheger form follows dysfunction?
@rudelm

[maccatalan@techhub.social]

@noheger had they added a visionOS-like handle as the mouse moved towards the corner, the larger radius would have still been just as ugly to my eyes, but at least this whole thing may make more sense? 😓 (I wish this is not the "correction" course they pick)

[jdowns@oldbytes.space]

@noheger Always remember: “It just works!” 🤦🏼‍♂️

[leonick@social.vivaldi.net]

@noheger what was the allowed area before Tahoe?

If the window had a border that should be the area one can grab, windows rarely have borders these days so I’d would have guessed some allowance in both directions, allowing you to grab just inside or just outside the window.

Well, I’ve checked Windows and two desktop environments on Linux (Gnome and Cinnamon), for all three the resize area is all outside the window with the possible exception of non native apps (electron, Discord for example) which may allow clicking only inside.

[cykelero@mas.to]

@noheger I gave a whole talk on this sort of thing! But it’s about when it’s done right, and one of the examples was actually macOS window resizing. Oh well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riK8aL_yZGw

[noheger@wien.rocks]

@Cykelero Excellent talk! You made a very good point about how clever it is that you can move a window even if you start your mouse drag in the resize area. And in fact, this not only works at the top edge but at all four edges of the window.

However, on macOS Tahoe this resize area now extends into the curvature of the rounded corner. You can see in this screenshot that the cursor still indicates a horizontal resize, even though it’s already inside the corner area, where you might expect to be able to resize diagonally. But if you try to do that, you will actually move the window.

[kdelta@privacysafe.social]

@noheger #SackTimCook