I don't think people here realized yet how much development has sped up in the "atmosphere*"
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@nicobao @squeakypancakes @liaizon the concept of extremism is moot in a headspace that sprung from monarchism and might makes right
@nicobao or at least it should be defined by ones internal compass, in which case anarchism is close to home and by no means extreme
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@liaizon you're taking this WAY too personally, while we don't even know each other. I am very much entitled to my own opinion, btw, cofounder of Agora or not. I am not an anticapitalist anarchist, fine, so what? What the heck is this ad hominem attack? The whole point of Agora is to get people to talk to each other, people who usually don't appreciate each other, without trolling, and finding common ground. Your very reaction shows exactly why I build it.
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I don't think people here realized yet how much development has sped up in the "atmosphere*"
I fear for the future of the fediverse if we don't get our shit together in some key areas. The way the lexicon system over there allows interoperability between distinct types of data and interface is really showing now that the developer ecosystem is picking up.
*The network comprised of different stuff that uses AT Proto
@liaizon I’m not sure who “we” is. There’s this constant competition y’all seem to want to foster. I’m staying way the fuck away from anything that’s chasing VC funding. But honestly, that’s just me. The more choice people have, the better. People have had these fears for a long time but ActivityPub just keeps on chugging along.
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@liaizon i think one factor the ap ecosystem could do a lot better at is finding nodes for ap devs to aggregate around. part of atproto ecosystem dev speed is technical, but other important part is how atproto has a much more legible dev ecosystem that constantly interacts with each other. ap dev ecosystem is much more fragmented, with very little interaction between the devs
@laurenshof @liaizon interactions between AP software devs is painful to watch sometimes, and the lack of interest from imolementers to work on standards is truly impressive.
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@laurenshof @liaizon interactions between AP software devs is painful to watch sometimes, and the lack of interest from imolementers to work on standards is truly impressive.
@thisismissem @laurenshof I really really don't understand why so many ap devs just refuse altogether to participate in the standardiazion process. I wonder how we could make FEPs more exciting for people. How much of this is a vibe thing
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@thisismissem @laurenshof I really really don't understand why so many ap devs just refuse altogether to participate in the standardiazion process. I wonder how we could make FEPs more exciting for people. How much of this is a vibe thing
@liaizon @laurenshof because politics and fights and strong opinions divide us.
Standards work, particularly at the W3C, attracts a certain type of person, and that's usually very different to builders.
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@liaizon @laurenshof because politics and fights and strong opinions divide us.
Standards work, particularly at the W3C, attracts a certain type of person, and that's usually very different to builders.
@thisismissem @liaizon @laurenshof 2¢: I'm writing my first FEP right now, it's a big one, and all the implementers have been great. Bringing their ideas and goals and perspectives, being polite, constructive and helpful. Might be a reflection of who's there (or who isn't), but hey.
The only hurdle so far is that no one seems to want to write. 😅 Then again, not having to merge other people's chunks of text into a cohesive document has its upsides.
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@thisismissem @liaizon @laurenshof 2¢: I'm writing my first FEP right now, it's a big one, and all the implementers have been great. Bringing their ideas and goals and perspectives, being polite, constructive and helpful. Might be a reflection of who's there (or who isn't), but hey.
The only hurdle so far is that no one seems to want to write. 😅 Then again, not having to merge other people's chunks of text into a cohesive document has its upsides.
@julian @liaizon @laurenshof wait until after the FEP is written and published..
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@thisismissem @liaizon @laurenshof 2¢: I'm writing my first FEP right now, it's a big one, and all the implementers have been great. Bringing their ideas and goals and perspectives, being polite, constructive and helpful. Might be a reflection of who's there (or who isn't), but hey.
The only hurdle so far is that no one seems to want to write. 😅 Then again, not having to merge other people's chunks of text into a cohesive document has its upsides.
@julian @thisismissem @laurenshof happy to see an optimistic take here! Can't wait to see the implementers list start popping off
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@liaizon @laurenshof because politics and fights and strong opinions divide us.
Standards work, particularly at the W3C, attracts a certain type of person, and that's usually very different to builders.
@thisismissem from my perspective, I don't feel comfortable writing a specification until I have verified it with a proof of concept. And by the time the proof of concept is done to my satisfaction, usually the community has moved to another solution to doing the same thing so it becomes kinda of a moot point.
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Bluesky also has its roots in other anarchist alternative networks. It takes a lot of inspiration from the core architects being involved in SSB (Secure Scuttlebutt)
The fediverse is anticapitalist I shout from the tallest mountain. The fediverse is explicitly an anarchist project I whistle into the wind. The fediverse is not the protocol, it is not a technology, it is an ideology above all that human communication should not be controlled by companies or oligarchs but by our friends and neighbors.
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Yes, it also disappoints me at times, because I see lots of effort over trying to figure out how to engage AP developers better — with minimal results, and meanwhile the Bluesky people are just seemingly having a ball over there riding on inertia.
In addition to work I'm doing trying to improve interop between threadiverse apps, I do try to help by providing DevOps style support for those looking to integrate AP.
Perhaps there's more I can do, I just don't know what it is.
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we implemented GoToSocial's spec de-facto, in addition to Bluesky's (due to us federating over both AP and AT), but we think there's things to be improved here (like gating a whole thread instead of per-post) that have found some interest from GTS' team too, from what I've heard from gabbo at least.
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