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@pycomtois she is bilingual... just not as French being one of the two. :)
She does try though.@chris @pycomtois I agree with you except for trying. Even my husband heard her try to "read" one sentence in French this year and it was absolutely impossible to understand
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@chris @pycomtois I agree with you except for trying. Even my husband heard her try to "read" one sentence in French this year and it was absolutely impossible to understand
@stephanie @pycomtois ya it's pretty brutal
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@stephanie @pycomtois ya it's pretty brutal
@chris @pycomtois I'm hoping people would react like you do if she spoke her indigenous language and French. And after 5 years wasn't able to read one word of English.
But I doubt
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@chris @pycomtois I'm hoping people would react like you do if she spoke her indigenous language and French. And after 5 years wasn't able to read one word of English.
But I doubt
@stephanie @pycomtois you're probably right.
Perhaps it is time for a GG who *only* speaks an indigenous language.
;)
It's hard to swallow... but part of decolonizing the nation has to include changing our assumptions for languages.
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@stephanie @pycomtois you're probably right.
Perhaps it is time for a GG who *only* speaks an indigenous language.
;)
It's hard to swallow... but part of decolonizing the nation has to include changing our assumptions for languages.
@chris @pycomtois I'd be fine with that. Just need to change the requirements of the job you know. That one is a FR/EN job (right now), she promised to learn, and she has not even tried a little bit.
You can't be a manager in the PS without speaking FR and EN.
I totally wish we would add extra official languages to Canada though. Then we could have a different conversation.
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@chris @pycomtois I'm hoping people would react like you do if she spoke her indigenous language and French. And after 5 years wasn't able to read one word of English.
But I doubt
@stephanie @chris @pycomtois unfairly, speaking English is never seen as a accomplishment... but as the minimum expected to be considered a functional human. With this I don't mean to say is ok for an government officer to not bilingual. A year of duolingo french while in the loo should be enough to read sentences...
#saysTheESL #MiParolasEsperanton #JeParleUnPetiteDuFrançaise -
@stephanie @chris @pycomtois unfairly, speaking English is never seen as a accomplishment... but as the minimum expected to be considered a functional human. With this I don't mean to say is ok for an government officer to not bilingual. A year of duolingo french while in the loo should be enough to read sentences...
#saysTheESL #MiParolasEsperanton #JeParleUnPetiteDuFrançaise@jubiloMX @chris @pycomtois Yep. The number of time I've seen public servants be.. vicious about Québécois having more management jobs at the government because "they just know English - and we don't need French".
It's astounding.
Like... my parents know about 5 words of English. No one in Québec City spoke English when I was born.
I worked hard.
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@jubiloMX @chris @pycomtois Yep. The number of time I've seen public servants be.. vicious about Québécois having more management jobs at the government because "they just know English - and we don't need French".
It's astounding.
Like... my parents know about 5 words of English. No one in Québec City spoke English when I was born.
I worked hard.
@stephanie @jubiloMX @chris @pycomtois I always reply, “are you saying Francophones are more intelligent than Anglophones? I certainly don’t think so!”
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@stephanie @jubiloMX @chris @pycomtois I always reply, “are you saying Francophones are more intelligent than Anglophones? I certainly don’t think so!”
well... if you put it that way ... we might just be 🤣
Seriously, knowing French first helps in learning English. If English is your first language, French is hard to learn.
Mostly because French has explicit grammar classes while English has very little in comparison. -
well... if you put it that way ... we might just be 🤣
Seriously, knowing French first helps in learning English. If English is your first language, French is hard to learn.
Mostly because French has explicit grammar classes while English has very little in comparison.@CleoQc Spanish, my first language as well. and sometimes grammar simplification doesn't help... also sounds.. the fact that sheet and shit use the same vowel sound in Spanish, but not in English stills frightens me.
The auxiliary prepositions.. take out, take off, take in, take up, take ... whatever...I don't want to believe a English speaker is better when learning Spanish/French than a romance language speaker learning English.
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well... if you put it that way ... we might just be 🤣
Seriously, knowing French first helps in learning English. If English is your first language, French is hard to learn.
Mostly because French has explicit grammar classes while English has very little in comparison.@CleoQc @stephanie @jubiloMX @chris @pycomtois ehhhhhhh English has *massive* issues, like tough, thorough, through and all that. It’s not as easy as people think!
The one huge advantage is that it’s everywhere, so you can’t help hearing it all the time. Immersion is more effective than strictly book-based learning. The fact is, most Francos will watch content in English, while the opposite rarely happens, even among bilingual Anglos.
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@CleoQc @stephanie @jubiloMX @chris @pycomtois ehhhhhhh English has *massive* issues, like tough, thorough, through and all that. It’s not as easy as people think!
The one huge advantage is that it’s everywhere, so you can’t help hearing it all the time. Immersion is more effective than strictly book-based learning. The fact is, most Francos will watch content in English, while the opposite rarely happens, even among bilingual Anglos.
@CleoQc @stephanie @jubiloMX @chris @pycomtois Even among Anglo translators! Those that do keep up with some French content tend to stick to European sources. In my particular specialty, knowing Canadian colloquialisms is essential, yet I’m always baffled at seeing my colleagues paying no attention to French Canadian content.
Anyway, all this to say, it’s sort of force-fed to us, which, as unpleasant as it is, of course facilitates learning!
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@CleoQc Spanish, my first language as well. and sometimes grammar simplification doesn't help... also sounds.. the fact that sheet and shit use the same vowel sound in Spanish, but not in English stills frightens me.
The auxiliary prepositions.. take out, take off, take in, take up, take ... whatever...I don't want to believe a English speaker is better when learning Spanish/French than a romance language speaker learning English.
@jubiloMX @CleoQc @stephanie @chris @pycomtois YES! Auxiliary prepositions are a PITA and still trip me!
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@CleoQc Spanish, my first language as well. and sometimes grammar simplification doesn't help... also sounds.. the fact that sheet and shit use the same vowel sound in Spanish, but not in English stills frightens me.
The auxiliary prepositions.. take out, take off, take in, take up, take ... whatever...I don't want to believe a English speaker is better when learning Spanish/French than a romance language speaker learning English.
@jubiloMX @CleoQc @bougiewonderland @chris @pycomtois same. I was learning Spanish and German in college too, and they were both difficult, even if, of course German was harder because it was so different. Learning a language, when it's not taught to you as a child, is difficult. Period. It takes work and determination.
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@CleoQc Spanish, my first language as well. and sometimes grammar simplification doesn't help... also sounds.. the fact that sheet and shit use the same vowel sound in Spanish, but not in English stills frightens me.
The auxiliary prepositions.. take out, take off, take in, take up, take ... whatever...I don't want to believe a English speaker is better when learning Spanish/French than a romance language speaker learning English.
@jubiloMX
Indeed there are challenges when learning English from a romance language. When in doubt, I avoid those propositional phrases and favour more advanced vocabulary. Coming from French, it usually means using the anglicized version of the standard French word. It's almost cheating 😀 -
@CleoQc @stephanie @jubiloMX @chris @pycomtois Even among Anglo translators! Those that do keep up with some French content tend to stick to European sources. In my particular specialty, knowing Canadian colloquialisms is essential, yet I’m always baffled at seeing my colleagues paying no attention to French Canadian content.
Anyway, all this to say, it’s sort of force-fed to us, which, as unpleasant as it is, of course facilitates learning!
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@stephanie @jubiloMX @chris @pycomtois I always reply, “are you saying Francophones are more intelligent than Anglophones? I certainly don’t think so!”
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@CleoQc Spanish, my first language as well. and sometimes grammar simplification doesn't help... also sounds.. the fact that sheet and shit use the same vowel sound in Spanish, but not in English stills frightens me.
The auxiliary prepositions.. take out, take off, take in, take up, take ... whatever...I don't want to believe a English speaker is better when learning Spanish/French than a romance language speaker learning English.
@jubiloMX @CleoQc @bougiewonderland @stephanie @pycomtois lets just get this out there....
a lot of English speakers don't like speaking other languages.... particularly those with British heritage.
The French Immersion program was the single most important thing P. Trudeau did to break that
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@jubiloMX @CleoQc @bougiewonderland @stephanie @pycomtois lets just get this out there....
a lot of English speakers don't like speaking other languages.... particularly those with British heritage.
The French Immersion program was the single most important thing P. Trudeau did to break that
@chris @jubiloMX @CleoQc @bougiewonderland @pycomtois thank you for saying it; we couldn't haha 😆
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@chris Et après 5 ans en poste, elle est toujours incapable de parler français. 🙄
@pycomtois Francophones do not have such a great history in embracing other languages either. But maybe Canadians are different in that. @chris
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Sì, ma preferisco sempre l'idea che sia la confederazione a prendersi "cura" di noi.
Anzi se anche Francia e Germania volessero spartirci... 🤷
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this is also an excellent illustration of the power that consumers have, when wielded collectively
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we could make a lotta BS go away like this too, if only...
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@mhoye It was so blindingly obvious, even at the time, that this whole metaverse thing was just a figment of Zuckerberg’s imagination and was absolutely not going anywhere. Historians will write books about this incredible silicon valley bandwagon effect. Or is it just fear of missing out? Cult of personality maybe? @bert_hubert
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