@Edent what's so bad about <div> ... or: Why do you want to avoid them?
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I've started receiving Matrix invitations for #FOSDEM.
Here's why I won't be joining any Matrix rooms or groups:
https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/07/im-never-going-back-to-matrix/If you want to chat with me, I'm on Signal - https://signal.me/#eu/0yBnmb_38alRnXkcjYSukcQbZQuKRARAEk5LZSewul5TtOWrs1FL-61jRUJ-Odfq
Plenty of other ways to contact me - or I'll see you by the vegan food truck 🙂
@Edent There's a lot of things that suck in matrix but it's the one ecosystem that actually makes accessing it easy (hence the spam problem, perhaps).
For example, what's signal's official stance on how users without Android or iOS should create an account?
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@Edent There's a lot of things that suck in matrix but it's the one ecosystem that actually makes accessing it easy (hence the spam problem, perhaps).
For example, what's signal's official stance on how users without Android or iOS should create an account?
@Edent Not to discount your experience with whatever official app was used, but the Element web client has been consistently worked wherever I had a web browser (and in the past the Element android app), even if slow and sluggish.
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@Edent There's a lot of things that suck in matrix but it's the one ecosystem that actually makes accessing it easy (hence the spam problem, perhaps).
For example, what's signal's official stance on how users without Android or iOS should create an account?
@haagch I don't know - you should ask them.
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I've started receiving Matrix invitations for #FOSDEM.
Here's why I won't be joining any Matrix rooms or groups:
https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/07/im-never-going-back-to-matrix/If you want to chat with me, I'm on Signal - https://signal.me/#eu/0yBnmb_38alRnXkcjYSukcQbZQuKRARAEk5LZSewul5TtOWrs1FL-61jRUJ-Odfq
Plenty of other ways to contact me - or I'll see you by the vegan food truck 🙂
@Edent would you agree that Signal and Matrix are trying to solve different communication needs?
I appreciate what they're trying to achieve. I agree that the client and moderation tools situation is poor. You read about bigger communities like GrapheneOS slowly preferring Discord because of it. (Which in context of taking moderation action has a much, much worse track record than Matrix)
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@Edent would you agree that Signal and Matrix are trying to solve different communication needs?
I appreciate what they're trying to achieve. I agree that the client and moderation tools situation is poor. You read about bigger communities like GrapheneOS slowly preferring Discord because of it. (Which in context of taking moderation action has a much, much worse track record than Matrix)
@martijn
No, they're pretty much the same. I'm in a large number of group chats on Signal. It works better than Matrix for that.Re moderation. I've never been bombarded with hate messages and spam on either Signal or Discord. So they're obviously doing something right
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@Edent welcome home!
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@Edent 6 weeks away and a fun little project for your first weekend back? Bliss.
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@neil ah. Well, possession is 9/10th of the law, right?
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@neil ah. Well, possession is 9/10th of the law, right?
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@Edent Is it showing up by mdns name?
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@Edent Is it showing up by mdns name?
@woe2you how would I check that?
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@woe2you how would I check that?
@Edent Ping homeassistant.local - possible the apps are hardcoded to hit that rather than the IP?
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@Edent Ping homeassistant.local - possible the apps are hardcoded to hit that rather than the IP?
@woe2you OK, I can get to the #HomeAssistant observer at http://homeassistant.local:4357/ but not the service itself on :8123.
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@Edent Ouch!
Hopefully it'll get sorted quickly.
Doesn't help you much today, but this kind of breakage was part of what motivated me to move from a HAOS/Supervised install to just running the docker container.
I have to update manually, but it's not that much hassle and I get to sit out of updates until I've seen whether anyone else is complaining of breakage
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@Edent Ouch!
Hopefully it'll get sorted quickly.
Doesn't help you much today, but this kind of breakage was part of what motivated me to move from a HAOS/Supervised install to just running the docker container.
I have to update manually, but it's not that much hassle and I get to sit out of updates until I've seen whether anyone else is complaining of breakage
@Edent This change - https://github.com/home-assistant/supervisor/commit/d23bc291d5c89074afaaf668023ce73193c2c92d - was in the most recent Supervisor release (which was cut 4 days ago)
I'd be willing to bet it's that.
It would also explain why it's only Supervisor users who have complained in that ticket so far - the change above was in supervisor rather than in core
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@martijn
No, they're pretty much the same. I'm in a large number of group chats on Signal. It works better than Matrix for that.Re moderation. I've never been bombarded with hate messages and spam on either Signal or Discord. So they're obviously doing something right
@Edent discord was, they finally are starting to change, insanely slacking when it comes to sexual exploitation of children in many of their groups.
It's pretty clear you made up your mind. I find the decentralized nature of Matrix important enough to not completely write it off because of bugs, but to each their own.
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@Edent i'm starting to wonder if there are any (FOSS) alternatives to HA
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@Edent Doesn't this also cause problems with contactless payments?
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@Edent I had a similar issue! When I was still here on a work visa, my residence permit card also had a chip. I kept both in passport carrying case and after several rejections at Heathrow, I realized that it would only work if I removed the passport from the case, thus separating the chips.
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@Edent
Oh that is interesting! i bet others have this issue and have never considered their ring could be the issue!