You know us: at Dyne, we've never been the type to spy on our own people.

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@haise @dyne I mean Matrix has in my opinion larger issues than most of the alternatives. Community safety and accessibility are tier 1 concerns for a public server.

The others tend to have other inconveniences, as listed in mine. Some may or may not matter to people depending on their use case.

I'm not dissing on Matrix here, but it's not broadly suitable as a discord replacement for communities of significant size.

[haise@tech.lgbt]

@reflex @dyne have you not heard of draupnir and other projects to help moderate rooms on matrix? and there's policy servers now to fully block messages before users in rooms receive them

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@haise @dyne Yes, and it is woefully inadequate. Have a look at the experience #GrapheneOS had with Matrix moderation. They have listed in great detail how inadequate the tools are.

As a small instance owner I've run into similar myself, but the worst has been UI/UX/Accessibility. It is so damn easy to lose access to message history and having to explain to users repeatedly to backup their decryption keys somewhere safe is ridiculous.

[haise@tech.lgbt]

@reflex @dyne that was before policy servers were a thing :) they can stop media being sent at all and please report UX issues to the applications, so they can be improved

[setto@tooting.ch]

@reflex @haise
Now you got me confused with grapheneOS's discord moderation issues... But i wholeheartedly disagree with your last statement about decryption key. That's mostly a failure of community builders to educate their community. Security is not an app or a killer UX: it's knowledge and experience.

@dyne

[haise@tech.lgbt]

@setto @reflex @dyne it can be both, if the UX isnt good it can lead to even technical people to be confused and lose access to their keys, good UX needs to be easy to understand and work well for people to not be guided on how to get the keys backed up so they dont lose access

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@setto @haise @dyne Fixed, meant Matrix moderation, sorry!

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@haise @setto @dyne I agree here, Signal shows just how security can be intrinsic to the design without requiring the users to do the heavy lifting. Matrix needs to take notes.

[setto@tooting.ch]

@haise good point: it is both, i agree. It's just that modern UX has this tendency to assume people are unable to learn things and make laziness affordable.

@reflex @dyne

[setto@tooting.ch]

@reflex gotcha: for the record, edits don't federate very well! Don't be surprised if someone else gets confused despite the edit 😅

[douginamug@mastodon.xyz]

@dyne @pintoch DYK?

[reflex@retrogaming.social]

@setto I love AP most of the time, but then there are other times....

[setto@tooting.ch]

@reflex been arround it since 2009, you'll mostly find me at the other times 😅

[setto@tooting.ch]

@reflex it had (has?) potential, it's just that server software devs seem to be incapable of consensus.