thinking about how foreign the concept of an "upgrade cycle" is to me.
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@whitequark Unstable is not gonna cut it, indeed. Loud is also a stopper for appartments (I have them in the basement, two floors away from bedrooms).
As for power, all these machines are off unless they are testing code. The baseline power usage is about 40W when the screen is off.
@mupuf my baseline for CI is "$100/year VPS" so anything that seems like it would be worse than that in either resources or time goes directly into the "I'll give it away" pile
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@mupuf my baseline for CI is "$100/year VPS" so anything that seems like it would be worse than that in either resources or time goes directly into the "I'll give it away" pile
@whitequark A sane strategy for raw compute!
I wish I could do the same for driver development, which requires a lot of exotic hardware.
My costs right now are about 200€/year worth of electricity.
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@whitequark A sane strategy for raw compute!
I wish I could do the same for driver development, which requires a lot of exotic hardware.
My costs right now are about 200€/year worth of electricity.
@mupuf oh yeah hardware and driver dev is totally different, I was assuming "github's CI workers are no longer an option for some reason" which is the situation a lot of people are kinda in rn
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thinking about how foreign the concept of an "upgrade cycle" is to me. i use devices until one of the following happens:
- i outgrow their capacity
- they break and i cannot repair them any more
- it is impossible to get software/firmware updates that work with it... plus a few years usually
(mostly a mix of 2 and 3 depending on the device)
@whitequark my favourite is "it is a networked device and the network it connects to has shut down" -
@whitequark my favourite is "it is a networked device and the network it connects to has shut down"
@izzy i absolutely refuse to buy these to the point of not having any wifi iot devices at all
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@izzy i absolutely refuse to buy these to the point of not having any wifi iot devices at all
@whitequark this was a smartphone
doesn't know how to VoLTE and 3G here is shut down
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@whitequark Many businesses seem to do an anticipatory (1): "The average software (mainly websites) you're expected to use doubles in compute requirements every 3 years."
I also see "this one feature is flaky so I guess I need an entire new computer" a lot and it's tiring, but I also don't want to play tech support for people I'm not good friends with.
@snowfox @whitequark On the one hand, at work we run servers for a long time (I'm sure we have ones in production that are more than ten years old, although the one I'm thinking of spent some time turned off). On the other hand, it makes us increasingly nervous to run important services on servers that have already been running 24/7 for N years (for non-small N), and we prefer not to.
(My home and office desktops are ~8 years old, I think a co-worker's desktop is even older.)
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i anticipate having
\4. it is economically unjustifiable to run them any more
in a while but not with my current setup
@whitequark Having retired a Netburst spaceheater for just that reason, I sure hope I don't run into that again.
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i anticipate having
\4. it is economically unjustifiable to run them any more
in a while but not with my current setup
@whitequark@social.treehouse.systems If the cost matches up against the resources expended for making it, #1 takes a very long time before it happens and justifies the cost of a replacement with similarly scaled pricing.
Essentially it'll only ever make sense if one only buys used hardware. (If everyone did so, that eventually runs into a chicken-and-egg issue that would make #1 much rarer still.)
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when i say "they break and i cannot repair them" what i mean is "the price of board level repair exceeds the cost of a new device / my skill is insufficient / it is literally impossible to get parts anymore". i can do, and do, board level repair on anything i own if i have to
@whitequark > i can do, and do, board level repair on anything i own if i have to
Kinda wish I could afford the kind of setup for doing that safely. -
@follpvosten i've flip-flopped on buying used
when i was younger it felt nice to get a device that was manufactured 'just for me'. nowadays that has long faded so i choose used because it's cheaper and in many ways more efficient; phones that are 1-2 versions behind can still be in very good condition while also being so much cheaper it's basically unjustifiable to get a flagship one
(especially if one is willing to replace the battery, like i am)
@whitequark@social.treehouse.systems @follpvosten@karp.lol If firmware & drivers were liberated or had to be released upon hardware deprecation (or functionally equivalent documentation), a lot of those machines would still be perfectly fine for a while longer.
The current regulatory landscape is intensely disappointing.
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thinking about how foreign the concept of an "upgrade cycle" is to me. i use devices until one of the following happens:
- i outgrow their capacity
- they break and i cannot repair them any more
- it is impossible to get software/firmware updates that work with it... plus a few years usually
(mostly a mix of 2 and 3 depending on the device)
@whitequark ngl for me it's kinda more often "too many different newer shiny things have captured my attention that this one has faded away from my mental space" than legitimately outgrowing the capacity
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thinking about how foreign the concept of an "upgrade cycle" is to me. i use devices until one of the following happens:
- i outgrow their capacity
- they break and i cannot repair them any more
- it is impossible to get software/firmware updates that work with it... plus a few years usually
(mostly a mix of 2 and 3 depending on the device)
@whitequark /me looks at MacBook Pro 2015” I recently replaced battery in and slapped postmarketOS Duranium[1] on it. Works as a printing machine and occasional Interwebs exploration from couch. Doesn’t work well for videos — i7 4th gen only supports x264 hw acceleration, so it sucks battery quick. Gotta admit video works better on Windows, even though drivers got last update around three decades ago xD
1. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Duranium_(Immutable_postmarketOS)
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@whitequark ah okay. I keep forgetting that's a thing (the regular phone plan replacements)
@HeNeArXn @whitequark my first smartphone (an iPhone 4S) came out of such a carrier-sponsored change, when my dad (who lives in the UK) got a 5S.
But I'm someone who's always had a prepaid SIM card, and I have bought all my phones since at an electronics store.
Out of the five smartphones I bought, three times were because the previous one broke, and the two other times were because they hit capacity limits (the iPhone 4S's non extensible 16 gigabyte storage, and a cheap Android phone's (Motorola G7 Play) 1 gigabyte RAM crashing upon trying to open any Misskey instance in the browser)
With the latter two broken phones (both Xiaomi Redmi Note 11S, one had an inflated battery and the other one had a motherboard failure and wouldn't charge anymore), I bought a replacement and then sent the broken one in for repair, so I wasn't stuck phoneless for weeks. I only bothered sending them for repair because they were still within warranty.
the other broken phone was broken because I smashed it on the ground in a meltdown once, after having had it for like half a year, and it miraculously survived after that for another almost two years before it wouldn't charge reliably anymore. The screen was shattered after the ground throw and I tried to get it repaired at a local shop, but they scammed me and then I didn't bother anymore. -
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