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During WW2....
we sent troops to greece, but alongside greeks, not fighting them. We did do things to Goa, but the madeira stuff was with the portugese Govs permission.
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I know some in Guatemala would take issue with being on the "never invaded by the British" list (what with historical status and borders of British Honduras, now Belize).
@Infrogmation @ChrisMayLA6 We had an English pope (who is part of the fault for the Ireland mess) so surely we took over Vatican City at some point.
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@Infrogmation @ChrisMayLA6 We had an English pope (who is part of the fault for the Ireland mess) so surely we took over Vatican City at some point.
ha ha, and now we are into the definitional issue of what we mean by 'invasion'
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@ChrisMayLA6 Yeah this map is nonsense. It counts any "instances of military presence" and everything where the UK has "fought conflicts in the territory". By the logic of this map, Estonia for example has "invaded" dozens of countries.
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@ChrisMayLA6 Yeah this map is nonsense. It counts any "instances of military presence" and everything where the UK has "fought conflicts in the territory". By the logic of this map, Estonia for example has "invaded" dozens of countries.
Yes the designer of the map has (shall we say) a 'permissive' definition of 'invasion'
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@ChrisMayLA6 I agree with your point that people should know more about history, but the map is BS. Greetings from never invaded Switzerland
Yes, without methodology, definitions, or sourcing, the map is pretty useless.
Switzerland? About the only thing close I could think of were the WWII RAF bombers that flew to Switzerland by navigational mistake?
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Yes, without methodology, definitions, or sourcing, the map is pretty useless.
Switzerland? About the only thing close I could think of were the WWII RAF bombers that flew to Switzerland by navigational mistake?
here's the original source...
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@ChrisMayLA6 Sadly anti-immigrant rhetoric and support for imperialism come from the same supremacist belief that British and other white European cultures are superior to all other cultures. It's not enough to make the connection between imperialism and immigration, you also have to humanize all the victims of colonialism by educating your communities.
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@ChrisMayLA6 Sadly anti-immigrant rhetoric and support for imperialism come from the same supremacist belief that British and other white European cultures are superior to all other cultures. It's not enough to make the connection between imperialism and immigration, you also have to humanize all the victims of colonialism by educating your communities.
Yes, what's interesting is that when that is tried (and often successfully) the Right claim its 'rewriting history' when of course actually its retuning history to what it should be after a protracted period when it *was* rewritten
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I remember sitting at an “English pub” in Mallorca, Spain during the Brexit vote and listening to an English woman, who was working and living in sunny Mallorca, explain to me that she believed that her culture needed to be preserved at home. I simply pointed out the obvious hypocrisy of her position, both politically and physically. I believe I just simply said, “You’re in a fake English pub in Spain, speaking English and complaining about preserving your culture.” She didn’t get it. -
@ChrisMayLA6 @Infrogmation Yes, citing the very trustworthy source of — checks notes: https://www.indy100.com/news/uk-great-britain-invasion-empire-war-conquest-globe-invaded-2017-7460711
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@ChrisMayLA6 Portugal hides... 🙄
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I think its also worth remembering that the folk that many English claim descent from, the Anglo-Saxons, came over to Britain in the 5th century AD across the Channel as immigrants in small boats. -
@ChrisMayLA6 The sun never set on the British Empire, because even God didn’t trust the English in the dark. #PerfidiousAlbion
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@ChrisMayLA6 The sun never set on the British Empire, because even God didn’t trust the English in the dark. #PerfidiousAlbion
ha ha, brilliant
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@ChrisMayLA6 I agree with your point that people should know more about history, but the map is BS. Greetings from never invaded Switzerland
@frauxirah @ChrisMayLA6 Yes, this kind of thing is annoying. There are very serious points to be made, but many people will look at a pile of bullshit like this and use it as a reason to dismiss things that are actually true.
A well-intentioned lie is still a lie.
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when did we invade Greece under Greek rule? Same can be asked about Portugal?
@Thebratdragon @Infrogmation @ChrisMayLA6 Portugal, famously England's oldest ally. I can only imagine that it's because there are lots of retired Brits in the Algarve.
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@frauxirah @ChrisMayLA6 Yes, this kind of thing is annoying. There are very serious points to be made, but many people will look at a pile of bullshit like this and use it as a reason to dismiss things that are actually true.
A well-intentioned lie is still a lie.
is inaccuracy, lying? On one level yes, but on another perhaps the bigger picture makes some sense?
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is inaccuracy, lying? On one level yes, but on another perhaps the bigger picture makes some sense?
@ChrisMayLA6 @frauxirah It's not inaccurate. It's lying. You could make a map like this which is true and it would still be a hell of a lot of pink.
Instead, someone has discredited the entire idea by including things are factually untrue. I assume the presence of Norway is because British soldiers fought alongside Norwegians to defeat the Nazis? Calling that 'invaded by Britain' just discredits the whole thing. What, are we saying Britain shouldn't have fought against the Nazis?
It does so much more harm than good because the apologists for empire can point to something like this and call it dishonest propaganda.
If you want to oppose nationalists you have to do so with truth, because if they can pick up a single falsehood then they can claim that nothing you say should be trusted.
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@ChrisMayLA6 @frauxirah It's not inaccurate. It's lying. You could make a map like this which is true and it would still be a hell of a lot of pink.
Instead, someone has discredited the entire idea by including things are factually untrue. I assume the presence of Norway is because British soldiers fought alongside Norwegians to defeat the Nazis? Calling that 'invaded by Britain' just discredits the whole thing. What, are we saying Britain shouldn't have fought against the Nazis?
It does so much more harm than good because the apologists for empire can point to something like this and call it dishonest propaganda.
If you want to oppose nationalists you have to do so with truth, because if they can pick up a single falsehood then they can claim that nothing you say should be trusted.
OK, that's fair enough; as I said earlier in the thread, the defence would be around the definition of 'invasion' and the use here is 'permissive' ... but I also am convinced by your argument so I'm going to delete the post!
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