English speakers of the fedi.

[eltonfc@bertha.social]

@jjj what motivates de question is that in English, the infinitive and imperative forms are identical. In Portuguese, they are translated in the infinitive: "Fechar" instead of "Feche" or "Fecha"

[eltonfc@bertha.social]

@compfu @sarajw that raises a great question: do you treat the Computer as "du" or "Sie"?

[leo_wallentin@mastodon.social]

@eltonfc strong #4 (as e.g. an 'edit' menu will often contain not so much a list of things to edit, as a list of editing related features)

[tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz]

@eltonfc I have simply never used computer interfaces with my native language, so I can't say.

[williamoconnell@mas.to]

@eltonfc Interesting, I think I always thought of it as imperative, but I guess in other languages it would typically be localized to be the infinitive? As an English speaker the idea of writing something like "I want to save the file" on a UI sounds unnatural to me; as though you're just giving the computer information and it's going to make its own decision.

[jjj@functional.cafe]

@eltonfc I understand that. As I wrote it is the same in Swedish. I don't understand what you mean with how they are usually translated. That would depend on the original text, I can't say how often either is used in general.

[ylyej@mastodon.bahia.no]

@hobbs mds eu sempre entendi como infinitivo

[donutage@mastodon.social]

@eltonfc Interesting question! I can't say I'd ever really thought about the grammatical tense/mood of menu items before, but my gut says they read as imperatives (also, we call them "commands", right?). I know German, on the other hand, renders them as infinitives (although I guess those could also be interpreted as formal imperatives).

[leonardof@bertha.social]

@eltonfc Já vi esses verbos descritos como sendo imperativos (em diretriz de interface gráfica, provavelmente do GNOME, provavelmente não a atual), mas na minha cabeça é infinitivo. Infinitivo para eles seria "to make", não "make"

[leonardof@bertha.social]

@eltonfc quer resposta em português também??

[hugu@masto.donte.com.br]

@eltonfc o infinitivo em inglês seria "to close", certo?

[dcporter@better.boston]

@jleedev @eltonfc The intention of these menus and button titles was definitely imperative. I'm surprised that there's the two options are so close – and I'm extra surprised and very intrigued that ESL folks are reporting 2x in favor of infinitive.

[malcontato@bolha.one]

@eltonfc @jjj “infinitive and imperative forms are identical” apenas nas flexões verbais em que acontece o bare infinitive, não? Que é quando precedido de verbos modais ou alguns verbos específicos. Eu aprendi que exceto esses casos a flexão infinitiva exige preposição “to”

[jleedev@mastodon.sdf.org]

@dcporter @eltonfc It makes me wonder, outside the computer what verb form is used for a to-do list in various languages.

[eltonfc@bertha.social]

@leonardof arrgh limitação do Moshidon que não mostra o idioma, só o botão para mudar

[eltonfc@bertha.social]

@jjj my point is that the same string "Close" is translated to Swedish in the imperative form and to Portuguese in the infinitive form. I'm curious how it's done in other languages.

[leonardof@bertha.social]

@eltonfc 😅

[wordshaper@weatherishappening.network]

@eltonfc tbh as a native english speaker I've gotten to the point where I see those words in menus as *nouns* rather than verbs. (I may have been computering too long, that's a valid observation)

[jjj@functional.cafe]

@eltonfc Ok, I understand now, I think.

The results of your polls are very interesting and surprising to me. I didn't know of this difference.

[drahardja@sfba.social]

@eltonfc I think most verbs in menus are intended to be imperative, with whatever is selected being the noun (eg copy *this*).