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@irelephant@app.wafrn.net @admin @_elena @irelephant@calckey.world
I guess the most concerns, from people wanting to understand, are related to the AT pieces with fewer alternatives, like relays and appview.
Is this "link" user visible to users hosted on the main Bluesky, if they use a 3rd part client like deer.social ?
Is it visible to people on Blacksky or Wafrn ?
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@mastodonmigration @mattsheffield Note the second piece is https://dustycloud.org/blog/re-re-bluesky-decentralization/
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Good summery of events.
None of this complexity should be surprising, and has been foretold by ActivityPub developer @cwebber. Christine published a two-part series of very technical analysis of ATProtocol. The second piece (Dec 2024 https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/) addresses what inherently makes real decentralization prohibitive. In particular, while ActivityPub scales linearly, ATProtocol has quadratic scaling. The result is an explosion of traffic as nodes are added to the system.
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No, there's loads of alternate PDSes. (1200 right now).
My PDS is altq.net, but there's also bsky.global and bsky.aenead.net and the tangled pds.
Wafrn comes with it's own pds as well.
I can use my altq pds, and https://reddwarf.whey.party/ and use bluesky without Bluesky PBC being able to control anything.
It's important to note that Link (the guy who got banned) still has his account accessible on the blacksky pds, it's just hidden on the two clients.
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Since the influx of Blue Sky and Twitter users, Mastodon Dot Social had unfortunately — but temporarily — experienced a few Nazi accounts, all of which have since been removed. However, a few individuals are now wrongfully claiming that the Fediverse is no different, simply because a few bad individuals managed to make it here.
What they’re choosing to ignore is the key difference: those accounts were dealt with and rightfully removed. The fact that they weren’t caught immediately does not support the implications being made. 🙄
Haters are going to hate. 🤷
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@irelephant @luca @_elena @benroyce so they're all partial implementations, they all either need Bluesky or Blacksky and Blacksky can't seem to enforce their own decisions if Bluesky disagrees with them. So ultimately everything is still controlled by Bluesky. It is not decentralized; Bluesky is the singular center of all of it.
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@admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com @luca@sironi.tk @_elena@mastodon.social @benroyce@mastodon.social
That's weird. reddwarf lets you use bluesky directly through a pds, without an appview or relay.
Appviewlite can do everything bar being a PDS.
Wafrn implements the PDS and appview, they currently use blacksky's relay.
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@irelephant @luca @_elena @benroyce
Not sure what reddwarf is, all I get is an error page (NetworkError when attempting to fetch resource) and I can't find any page explaining what it's supposed to be or what I'm supposed to be seeing.AppViewLite seems to only be implementing one single component, the appview.
Warfrn is also only a partial implementation. Says right in their docs that you'll need other components to use it with bluesky. No mention of where to get those though. I'd guess they expect you to rely on the centralized Bluesky ones.
And Blacksky is the one we were already discussing that allegedly doesn't understand how to actually implement the things they're trying to implement. Or maybe they do and the network just isn't actually decentralized. Those seem to be the two options.
Would any of these platforms survive if Bluesky decided to set up a firewall blocking them from the Bluesky infrastructure? Seems like the answer is no. That is not a decentralized system, that's an API.
