Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
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@smallcircles@social.coop I'm not at all surprised that the Hacker News crowd is so pro-Bluesky, coming to its defense in the comments.
I know that those commenters aren't the same as the AP critics, but it certainly does seem like they give BlueSky and ATProto the widest benefit of the doubt, while at the same time criticizing ActivityPub for the smallest of faults.
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@smallcircles not being safe because of the protocol alone is patently obvious and it has been infuriating to watch the Bluesky people obfuscate this and the fact that a protocol being decentralized in theory is also not the same thing as the platform being decentralized constantly.
Since it is so obvious I can only presume they do it on purpose (and then others on the bandwagon who just say what others have told them repeat it).
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@boebels Exactly! 😃
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@smallcircles it depends
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It is good that there are calls to be/remain wary.
https://kevinak.se/blog/be-wary-of-bluesky
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47095597
Detecting issues early, and future problems can be anticipated and prepared for. And it allows people to make informed technology decisions and weigh the pros and cons, the risks.
There are currently all kinds of typical tech ideology and protocol wars being waged, yet the answer to "Should I use this technology?" always starts with "It depends.."
I am in the #ActivityPub camp for many of the reasons mentioned in the article. At the same time I am a multi-protocol #SocialWeb proponent. Use whatever works best to satisfy needs and forms a solution.
The article also rightfully states that you are not safe from re-centralization risks and corporate capture with any protocol. Esp. not based on the protocol alone.
Did we ever honestly investigate risks to our #fediverse? What if we get big uptake, adoption, billions of fedizens? What shape will that take. Will it bring us "true social"?
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@reiver@mastodon.social Mastodon can, and that's what the long form text FEP enables.
If you set a summary, Mastodon will faithfully show it, even for Article types.
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@khleedril@cyberplace.social there absolutely are!
Any NodeBB topic over 500 characters is an article with a title, and federates out as the Article type.
Mastodon gets a sub-500 character summary, and displays that.
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Btw, I am sorry as I should've added "tangential" to the above, but was out of chars. I borrowed your post to continue my argument made elsewhere.
Adding an analogy that popped up as a showerthought just now, to clarify further what I refer to..
In a different context someone who creates a Webshop webapp might ask:
> When is something a "Product" or "Invoice" in HTTP / HTML?
It is not fully equivalent, but demonstrative of how the concepts clash, mixing solution space with protocol vocabulary in language use.
Yet this is what happens continuously in all fediverse developer talk, sowing endless confusion, but also leads to complete different, incompatible views and expectations on what fediverse is, and where it is headed.
We have a laissez-faire fediverse. Handy, as you can just hack things in. But also directionless and random.
